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Trump hints at expanded role for the military within the US. A legacy law gives him few guardrails
BY GARY FIELDS
Updated 12:03 AM EST, November 27, 2023
WASHINGTON (AP) Campaigning in Iowa this year, Donald Trump said he was prevented during his presidency from using the military to quell violence in primarily Democratic cities and states. ... Calling New York City and Chicago crime dens, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination told his audience, The next time, Im not waiting. One of the things I did was let them run it and were going to show how bad a job they do, he said. Well, we did that. We dont have to wait any longer.
Trump has not spelled out precisely how he might use the military during a second term, although he and his advisers have suggested they would have wide latitude to call up units. While deploying the military regularly within the countrys borders would be a departure from tradition, the former president already has signaled an aggressive agenda if he wins, from mass deportations to travel bans imposed on certain Muslim-majority countries.
A law first crafted in the nations infancy would give Trump as commander in chief almost unfettered power to do so, military and legal experts said in a series of interviews. ... The Insurrection Act allows presidents to call on reserve or active-duty military units to respond to unrest in the states, an authority that is not reviewable by the courts. One of its few guardrails merely requires the president to request that the participants disperse.
The principal constraint on the presidents use of the Insurrection Act is basically political, that presidents dont want to be the guy who sent tanks rolling down Main Street, said Joseph Nunn, a national security expert with the Brennan Center for Justice. Theres not much really in the law to stay the presidents hand.
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EarlG
(22,540 posts) While deploying the military regularly within the countrys borders would be a departure from tradition, the former president already has signaled an aggressive agenda if he wins
A departure from tradition?
And experts are worried that this law exists for Trump to misuse
how quaint. Were talking about a guy with 91 felony charges stacked against him. If hes already talking about regularly deploying the military on American streets, I doubt the law would be any obstacle to anything Trump decided to do in a second term.
moniss
(5,706 posts)everybody knows that they might first use the excuse of having the military on city streets because of violent crime but it would rapidly morph to putting down any demonstrations against their other plans.
Ohioboy
(3,462 posts)I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't their un-spoken plan.
peppertree
(22,850 posts)His buddy Milei in Argentina has already threatened to do the same - when his Bush-like policies inevitably lead to collapse and riots.
And like Cheeto, he's got several "Aileen Cannons" ready to rubber-stamp the "constitutionality" of whatever the hell he does.
stage left
(3,016 posts)If Re-elected Donald Trump Promises to Use Miltary against American Civilians
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)stage left
(3,016 posts)for seven long years. Or is it eight. I am absolutely sick to death of him.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,586 posts)Tuberville is not blocking military appointments because he opposes paying for travel; he's holding leadership appointments for his orange master. Tuberville is a good little Nazi, just like the rest of the GQP senators who pretend to try to get around him.
peppertree
(22,850 posts)They see Trump as a strongman who would beat down those they dislike.
"Honey - git me another beer. Makes me proud to be an 'merican ag'in!" they'll boast, watching it all on Farce News.
sop
(11,176 posts)Shows just how far down the rabbit hole this traitorous POS has taken the country.
Magoo48
(5,336 posts)And the people who follow a man, believe they are like minded.
To put a finer point on itthey are fucking fascists; he is their strongman.
jaxexpat
(7,782 posts)Boomerproud
(8,406 posts)The article says "several" active duty have been
arrested re Jan 6th. I thought it more than "several". If this goes as planned, anyone just living their life and exercising their rights are in danger. Dear God.
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JohnSJ
(96,520 posts)Anyone who votes for Cornell West, Jill Stein, RFK jr, Dean, no label party, etc., or not voting Democratic, are voting to support the military takeover of the U.S.
There is no middle road or excuse for not voting Biden and Democratic.
AverageOldGuy
(2,052 posts)I am quite confident that the Army's senior leadership -- the general officers -- would refuse such orders, even at the risk of being forced out. Ditto for the other services as well as for officers at the O-6 level.
Cyrano
(15,310 posts)(1) He will replace the senior command level of military officers with his own "Yes Men" who will follow any orders he issues.
(2) The military will quickly perform it's own coup de'tat and arrest him. But if this were to happen, how and to whom would they hand over civilian control of the government?
Number two seems the better of two evils. But it carries with it problems that will take a very long time to sort out.
PortTack
(34,642 posts)From anyone including the president and follow thru with that theres a cement room waiting for them at Leavenworth
SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)Tubbyshitville is holding up promotions for a big takeover.
PortTack
(34,642 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)that all broke their oaths.
stage left
(3,016 posts)mean nothing at all to people with no honor. We have a ton of them now "serving" in the House of Representatives.
El Mimbreno
(782 posts)SS would no longer mean Social Security. Replaced by Schutzstaffel.
DENVERPOPS
(9,949 posts)Cheney and Rumsfeld tried to repeal the Posse Comatatus Act when their corrupt CABAL was in power.
With this new USSC, I am not sure anything Trump and these "New" Republicans want would be rubber stamped.......
After All, the President *IS* the Commander in Chief of the Military.........
I have wondered if Trump has had some clothes designer secretly make up some samples of Uniforms he could wear, like other dictators and tyrants around he world have for public appearances??????? Remember when he wanted a military parade of U.S. Arms down the street in front of the inauguration during his installation??????? Huge tanks, Rockets, Howitzers, etc
Nothing says: "I have a really teeny penis" better than huge phallic shaped rockets on wheels moving down the streets...
LiberalFighter
(53,465 posts)hadEnuf
(2,698 posts)perhaps citing protests or a Reichstag fire of sorts. Make no mistake, his hardcore followers would have no problem doing false flags like that whatsoever. It's what terrorists like them train for.
It's gone far past wondering "if" or "might" he do something. It's a matter of when and how he WILL do something.
Our country has never been under a threat like this in modern times. Trump cannot be allowed near the levers of power again under any circumstances. We need to use every bit of political savvy and experience to keep this potential fascist dictator away from the White House.
PortTack
(34,642 posts)And the city or state has become lawless, and the governor must request help.
Two, if there is not a function judicial system.
Thats what they wanted to do b4 the orange mass left office and couldnt because it doesnt apply. They wont get any further with it a second try.
Its important to know what hes threatening, its also important to know its f..king bullshit!!
Besides
hes never going to be allowed anywhere near the WH!!!
hadEnuf
(2,698 posts)Ford_Prefect
(8,202 posts)Harker
(14,925 posts)stage left
(3,016 posts)That's a promise.
Harker
(14,925 posts)and a threat to us and to our way of life.
bucolic_frolic
(46,970 posts)Ragtag mental misfits for Trump.
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)He will do what he wants.