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fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:03 PM Nov 2012

Reclaiming the Word QUEER - It Worked!!!!!

Last edited Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)

There has been some debate on the effectiveness of embracing the word Queer as a way to take back offensive words, redefine them and change the culture at large.

It worked. Need evidence? Consider this...






What do you think?

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Reclaiming the Word QUEER - It Worked!!!!! (Original Post) fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 OP
I've lived in New York my whole life and I was under the impression the word was completely PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #1
Agree fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #3
We Did Take Back fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
Perhaps when you have been on the receiving end of a fist, DonViejo Nov 2012 #2
I have fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #4
Did I suggest you were or are a liar? nt DonViejo Nov 2012 #7
No fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #8
You didn't come across as "confrontational," but rather,... DonViejo Nov 2012 #9
OK fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #10
Your apology is accepted, sorry I left it out, above,.... DonViejo Nov 2012 #13
45 Years fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #14
I do not necessarily disagree with your position on use of the term... DonViejo Nov 2012 #15
Well fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #16
And for fun fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #17
Did You Tell Bravo? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #5
Perhaps Might Be Your Reality fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #11
I love it libodem Nov 2012 #6
It Is Empowering! fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #12

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. I've lived in New York my whole life and I was under the impression the word was completely
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:16 PM
Nov 2012

'taken back'. In fact I'm rather surprised some people here consider it offensive - did they complain to Bravo ?

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
3. Agree
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:22 PM
Nov 2012

I agree. Unfortunately, others do not.

This was my last post in another group I was subsequently blocked from for using the word:

Maybe I have a different take on speech and words. I think the solution to bad speech is more speech .....not less. If the response is 'so what'...tell them why.....educate the ignorant. I always attempt to be fair and objective when being on a jury....but i give people the benefit of the doubt. We will never be able to talk about racism, sexism or homophobia without even ignorant people being able to talk through their own insecurities. The language of oppression has often been turned against our oppressors......so some of us now neuter words like QUEER or HOMO.


I welcome that conversation here.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
2. Perhaps when you have been on the receiving end of a fist,
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:20 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)

knife, baseball bat and a shod foot, all the while you're being called a "fucking queer" or just "queer," you'll think a little more about your enchantment with the term. You might want to do some research into case law about how many times of the word "queer" was used against someone who was discriminated against in housing, credit application or employment and use of the term was used as proof of motivation for the discriminatory acts.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
4. I have
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nov 2012

Hospitalized for over a week.
Dozens of stitches.

Edit
GW Hospital
In 80s
Could care less if you or others want to call me a liar.
I've been called worse.
...and it wasn't a fist but a meat cleaver.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
8. No
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:52 PM
Nov 2012

...and I apologize if I came across confrontational. I would add that the presumption I haven't been subjected to violence or discrimination because I use the word queer is offensive to me even if that wasn't your intention. Perhaps it's exactly because I have been subjected to both that I feel so strongly about reclaiming the word.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
9. You didn't come across as "confrontational," but rather,...
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:06 PM
Nov 2012

as self righteous. If you bother to read my comment I said, "perhaps if;" I never presumed you were, or were not, assaulted. In this matter, I do not have a right to presume anything, one way or another.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
10. OK
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:12 PM
Nov 2012

Ok...now who is coming across as self righteous. Perhaps if you read my apology, you would be gracious enough to accept it. You were not.

And yea, you did presume I was subjected to neither; otherwise what was your point? Got it- you didn't have one.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
13. Your apology is accepted, sorry I left it out, above,....
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
Nov 2012

I've been involved in the Gay Rights movement for more than 45 years, I know exactly where you are coming from. However, I will continue to ask people to leave my home if they use the term queer, fag, faggot, the N word, the term kike for Jews, spick, wet-back or similar terms of derision and ridicule for Latinos.

And again, I didn't presume jack-shit about you. My comment was based on my experience working with victims of homophobic assaults, racist attacks, rape and discrimination.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
14. 45 Years
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:33 PM
Nov 2012

Me too...although it's a few more for me. That means we have something in common.

Your experience is yours and mine is mine. There is room for different strategies and approaches. I respect that you disagree with mine. That doesn't invalidate the effectiveness of either. The fact that we now have queer TV shows destigmitizing the word supports my argument. Certainly doesn't mean the word is never used derogatorily or with malice. I'm sure it is. I just don't give it that power.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
15. I do not necessarily disagree with your position on use of the term...
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:40 PM
Nov 2012

I just think that right now, there are major priorities needing to be addressed. Priorities I am willing to march into hell for, I'm not willing to march there as an advocate for "go ahead, call me queer. I love it!"

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
16. Well
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:46 PM
Nov 2012

Speaking only from my personal experience, I have marched and I have yelled 'We're Queer, We're Here, Get Used To It' and from my perspective, I have changed the world with that chant....as I am certain you have in your own way.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
17. And for fun
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:41 PM
Nov 2012
Please have a sense of humor when reading

If I were to come to your house and I promise not to use the word queer as I would never want to offend the host, can I bring queer food for the dinner party?

Check this out:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/low_concept/2002/04/what_is_queer_food.html

libodem

(19,288 posts)
6. I love it
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:27 PM
Nov 2012

I consider it empowering. I'm still being refered to as a he. I'm taking it as a compliment. I think my soul might be androgenous. I've had 3 sons. I heard the male hormones mark the mothers brain with testosterone. Makes permanent changes that mothers of females don't have.

Even some boyfriends I've had remark that I get it. That I understand. That I think like a man. I guess I write like a man. The I/P group is disgusted with me. The complaints reference me as he. Oh, well. I can take it like a man.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
12. It Is Empowering!
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:21 PM
Nov 2012

Thanks! I agree. And each of us is entitled to define ourselves anyway we want- including you!

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