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fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:50 AM Feb 2013

Driving stoned bill clears 1st Colo. hurdle

DENVER—Marijuana driving limits won unanimous approval in a Colorado legislative committee Tuesday, after lawmakers from both parties said that if voters want pot treated like alcohol, maximum blood levels for drivers are imperative.

The House Judiciary Committee voted 11-0 for the blood standard to help authorities determine whether a driver is too stoned to be behind the wheel.

After testimony from law enforcement and a toxicologist, House members agreed that drivers should be considered impaired if their blood contains more than 5 nanograms of THC per milliliter. THC is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.

Democratic Rep. Rhonda Fields, sponsor of the bill, compared it to early attempts to use blood tests to convict drunk drivers.

"It is time for us to have a shift in our mindset" now that marijuana is legal in Colorado, Fields argued.


more at the denver post

this number is really meaningless to me.
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Driving stoned bill clears 1st Colo. hurdle (Original Post) fizzgig Feb 2013 OP
IIRC, my first vehicular collision, my fault, was under the influence of herb. NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #1
some of it is that good, some of it isn't fizzgig Feb 2013 #3
That's just fine IF it doesn't result in drivers being found legally kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #2
i wonder if i could be found legally impaired driving to work fizzgig Feb 2013 #5
I think in WA there is a zero tolerance level - kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #18
Which is why a test for active THC in blood, and NOT... TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #17
Wait. How much is too stoned? Everyone will react differently. In_The_Wind Feb 2013 #4
and an individual will react differently under different circumstances fizzgig Feb 2013 #7
Exactly my point. It cannot be since the drug will show up for a month. In_The_Wind Feb 2013 #10
It's a tough one. Everyone reacts to alcohol differently . . . Journeyman Feb 2013 #8
Thank you. It will be difficult. In_The_Wind Feb 2013 #11
i've been pondering that question fizzgig Feb 2013 #12
Yeah, there are some users, both chronic and casual, who show no outward effects. . . Journeyman Feb 2013 #14
and it's legal to carry now fizzgig Feb 2013 #15
If you're toking, I think you should be off the road. I fully support your right to smoke, but I am Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #6
how long should i wait before driving? fizzgig Feb 2013 #9
Yeah, I don't really know. When I posted, I had the same thought. Ed Suspicious Feb 2013 #13
One day... CanSocDem Mar 2013 #19
You know, man, when you are, one toke over the line, man,... DreamGypsy Feb 2013 #16
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. IIRC, my first vehicular collision, my fault, was under the influence of herb.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:54 AM
Feb 2013

And I'm talking WAY back in the day, in the 70's.

These days the potency requires a non-op rule if under the influence.

EOM

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
2. That's just fine IF it doesn't result in drivers being found legally
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 12:56 AM
Feb 2013

impaired DAYS OR WEEKS after they last partook.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
18. I think in WA there is a zero tolerance level -
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:15 AM
Feb 2013

any trace whatsoever, even if it's from a month ago, equals impairment. Which is completely insane.

I don't know about you, but after as little as 4-6 hours I am relaxed but back to completely normal alertness.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
17. Which is why a test for active THC in blood, and NOT...
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:51 AM
Feb 2013

...the inactive metabolite.

OTOH, 5 ng is bugger all, when even non users don't show impairment untill over 10 and even at 20+ regular users remain less impaired than a person at 0.05 on the grog.

And unlike those on alcohol, pot smokers tend to drive slower and more carefully when they're buzzed.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
7. and an individual will react differently under different circumstances
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:16 AM
Feb 2013

i know when i can't drive, but i don't know how to judge it otherwise.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
10. Exactly my point. It cannot be since the drug will show up for a month.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:21 AM
Feb 2013

Is it okay to drive 8 hours later or 24 hours, the next week after smoking pot? Really.

Journeyman

(15,143 posts)
8. It's a tough one. Everyone reacts to alcohol differently . . .
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:18 AM
Feb 2013

When I was active, there were days I could drink a quart and be marginally impaired, while other times a single shot would send me spinning.

I guess some sort of standard for marijuana intoxication is necessary, however, so they at least have a benchmark.

What I wonder is, how is it determined that a driver has to take a blood test? There are some people who smoke all day and show little visible effects, while others have a toke or three and can't stop giggling. So obviously, if someone's in an accident they'll need to be run through a test. But will there be criteria that must be met before the police are allowed to pull random drivers off the street to take a blood test? And what will those criteria be?

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
12. i've been pondering that question
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:24 AM
Feb 2013

i would assume it would be like dui, getting pulled over for a traffic violation or having a tail light out or something and then a roadside if they have reason to suspect. but i wonder what they'll use to determine whether you need a roadside outside the obvious.

Journeyman

(15,143 posts)
14. Yeah, there are some users, both chronic and casual, who show no outward effects. . .
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:29 AM
Feb 2013

and even if the officer smells it on their person, who's to say it wasn't from the day before and the officer just has an exceptional nose? I can't help but see these efforts leading to more litigation than incarceration.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
6. If you're toking, I think you should be off the road. I fully support your right to smoke, but I am
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:12 AM
Feb 2013

absolutely certain of most people's inability to judge their own level of impairment.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
9. how long should i wait before driving?
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:21 AM
Feb 2013

no snark, honest question. my blood level is likely to be over the legal limit four or five hours after smoking but i am not in any way impaired. if you are still well over the legal blood alcohol limit four or five hours after you stop drinking, you need to be in the hospital. marijuana is not the same way.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
19. One day...
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 10:07 AM
Mar 2013


...a couple of years ago, I happened on an RCMP checkpoint, shortly after 'burning one'. The smell in my van alerted the cop at my window and I was asked to pull over to the side of the road.

The cop in charge came right over and asked if I had been smoking "marijuana". It was clearly too late to lie so I 'fessed up to "sharing one" with some friends before I left town. I was escorted to the back seat of a patrol car while 2 or 3 cops piled into my van. After a few minutes they came over threatening to take me back to Winnipeg (100 kms) where they would tear apart my vehicle unless I told them where the pot was hidden.

It was in a small pocket of my travelling bag, but I thought if they haven't found it yet, they must be more clueless than usual. So they kept looking for another 10-15 minutes coming back to the car I was in, repeating the threat and I kept saying, "To the best of my knowledge, there is no pot in the van."

One cop got in the back seat with me, looked me straight in the eye and asked if I thought 'smoking marijuana helped my driving...'. I met his gaze to see if he was serious and when I couldn't tell for sure, I lowered my eyes and in my most chastened voice, I replied "NO".

To my everlasting amazement, they found nothing and eventually let me continue on my way. To their credit, they had scared me enough that I didn't even look for my stash until I was almost 100 miles down the road. I thought they might have scooped my little film container and the roach in the ashtray but when I got up the nerve to pull over and look, I found both.

In celebration, I burned another and vowed to always make sure I had a window open and good ventilation while smoking enroute.


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DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
16. You know, man, when you are, one toke over the line, man,...
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 01:40 AM
Feb 2013

...you know. Just need that tokometer.

(beware, crummy visuals...album covers...but a good song after three reefers)

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