Gun Control & RKBA
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Freelance writer Dan Baum is a self-described gun guy. But even though he has 15 firearms locked in a cabinet in his garage and loves an outing at the shooting range, he does not exactly fit the stereotype.
"I am a Jewish, liberal Democrat and a gun guy," he says, "which in the US is a very weird hybrid."
The writer, who grew up in New Jersey and now lives in Colorado, says he is representative of millions of ordinary gun-owning Americans.
He wants both sides of the gun control debate - the politicians who want background checks as well as the National Rifle Association, which opposes new regulations - to listen to what these "average gun guys" want.
For his new book Gun Guys: A Road Trip, Mr Baum travelled across the US and met a variety of gun owners, from those blasting automatic weapons in the desert to a school teacher hunting pigs.
He talked to the BBC about his attempt to explain his own and Americans' fascination with firearms.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22018736
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Is not very strong, it's in the garage, and on camera. All no no's. Otherwise good vid.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Straw Man
(6,771 posts)... for an AWB and mag capacity limits.
AWB & mag limit laws not needed with universal background checks and record keeping.
Glad to hear you say that. No, really, I am. Now if we could make sure that the UBC and record-keeping were not and would never be used to enable confiscation ...
The devil is in the details.
premium
(3,731 posts)banning the use of such registry for use to confiscate firearms from lawful owners.
I do fully support the UCB, enhanced penalties for straw purchase's and I wouldn't really have a problem with a mag limit much like CO, although I really don't see how that would decrease crime.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)and 1 I thought of too, but then any clause could be overturned by the next bill, and then it is too late.
Who could the information be given to to keep it safe, but still usable, or how could it be secured so IF confiscation was to ever occur it would be useless?
Some new techonology out there somewhere... Maybe a data base delete button that kicks in the moment someone in legislation says "we need to ban..."
Hmmm...
premium
(3,731 posts)to prevent a registry from being used as a confiscation tool.
Certainly not me, as my youngest daughter used to tell me, "Dad, you really are computer stupid!"
jmg257
(11,996 posts)My son takes all the fun out of Halo...almost.
I can still do OK with my daughter though!
What's that?
I'm still playing the old Sega Gensis, that tells you how old I am.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Each drivers license should have an entry on it that shows if a person is qualified to buy a gun.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)CobblePuller
(38 posts)ID requirement for one Constitutional Right, ID requirement for all of them.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Come on, man! That's rightie conspiracy theory talk.
premium
(3,731 posts)Those with assault weapons were required to register them and then the state decided to ban certain ones, guess what they used to determine who had what?
They were all sent letters by Bill Lockyear demanding that they either be turned in, rendered inoperable, or taken out of state.
So, no, it's not a rightie conspiracy, it's a real concern for gun owners.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)I can't find the letter that was sent out to the owners of those rifles, it's been posted here before.
But the CA AG used the registry to find out who had those particular rifles and then sent those letters out.
So, yes, that's why there's deep mistrust of a national registry.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)The SKS sporter rifle.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Who makes that?
I think you aren't sure of your "facts", eh?
premium
(3,731 posts)This confiscation happened a number of years ago. The original from the CA DOJ has been posted here before, I just can't find it right now.
Perhaps someone who has it can post it.
I know that CA tried to pass a law banning the possession of assault weapons just recently, but it died in commitee.
Norinco. It's a Chinese-made SKS that has a thumbhole stock and takes AK magazines.
California allowed it first, if registered, then banned it, then did a mandatory buyback.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)But not confiscated?
When did this happen?
How about the Yugos with the grenade launchers? (Zastava)
Come on, man! That's rightie conspiracy theory talk.
Interesting. What about when California required registration of any SKS with a detachable magazine, and subsequently used the registration lists to confiscate said firearms upon deciding they should no longer be legal? Was that a figment of our collective imagination?
How about Australia doing the same thing when they banned certain classes of firearms after the Port Arthur massacre? Never happened?
Oh, you mean that couldn't happen here? Or again? Or whatever? OK, call me paranoid, call me skeptical, but indulge me: Reassure me by putting it into writing. Legislate me some guarantees and then we'll talk.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)All those that were registered in CA.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Only the ones that took detachable mags.
premium
(3,731 posts)the ones with the fixed mags were still legal.
premium
(3,731 posts)Thanks for posting it.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Thought so!
Thought so!
SKS models that take detachable mags. I just showed you. What are you babbling about now?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)And confiscated?
Mandatory buyback. And the linked letter above refers to a mandatory surrender (no compensation) of all AWs (not only SKS) that were registered beyond a certain date, even though the error was the DOJ's and not the gunowners'.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172118626#post14
premium
(3,731 posts)Pretty obvious at this point.
sylvi
(813 posts)Nothing but trolling.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)I've seen the "scare talk"...... but it never happened!
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)... saying "Turn in this rifle or face criminal charges," what do you call that?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Thought not!
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Are you denying its existence? Or just blowing smoke?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Are you telling me that nobody else did either?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)It should be documented.... if it ever happened!
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Then there are problems with registrations. The law requires "assault weapons" to be registered and establishes grace periods. Preferring to know where these guns are and believing the law allowed it, former Atty. Gen. Dan Lungren continued to encourage and accept grace period registrations through 1998. Handgun Control Inc. sued him. When Bill Lockyer was elected attorney general, he dropped the opposition to the Handgun Control lawsuit. As a result, thousands of registrations were invalidated and owners were "dispossessed" of their guns without any payment. So in California, registration indeed did lead to confiscation.
-- http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jul/23/local/me-25465
Surely they fact-check their op-eds. Or do you require a notarized eyewitness statement?
Then again, California walked away from the Second Amendment a long time ago. And they still have nasty problems with homicide and gang violence.
California's a lovely state, but I just want to tell its legislators...
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Straw Man
(6,771 posts)They let NRA mouthpieces spread disinformation in their august pages? Oh no! Shock! Horror! Why -- they're as bad as Fox!
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)you could have just posted what you meant 15 posts ago. I believe (and it's only a belief) that your purpose here is simply to disrupt. There is something very familiar about your posting style. Do you have a brother or another relative that posts/posted here?
Just curious is all.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)BeyondGeography
(40,014 posts)The new perpetually-coddled soccer Moms. Walk with pride, lads.
spin
(17,493 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)It is a good read. He uses a good bit of wit and humor and meets some interesting people in his travels. One of them is a black gun activist in Detroit who is trying to sell black people on the idea of owning guns and getting carry permits.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)Me too! And record requirements........
CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)You knew the answer but just kept asking . What were you trying to accomplish?
rdharma
(6,057 posts)A better question would be...... What was the OP trying to accomplish?
Get my point?
CobblePuller
(38 posts)I'll drown myself in beer.
Nimbus... what a way to go!
premium
(3,731 posts)that his sole purpose for being here is to disrupt, nothing more.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)rdharma
(6,057 posts)I was just trying to see if Mr. Baum was against REASONABLE gun control.
Any harm in that?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)at least get the line correct.
Blue_Tires
(55,784 posts)What AM I trying to accomplish??