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sarisataka

(20,992 posts)
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 10:55 AM Nov 2014

Gun control and the election results

Did party policies and the actions on gun control, or lack thereof, over the last two years have an effect on the results of this election?


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Gun control and the election results (Original Post) sarisataka Nov 2014 OP
In Colorado - it mattered. earthside Nov 2014 #1
Same in my state, GGJohn Nov 2014 #2
It's generally pro-Republican krispos42 Nov 2014 #3
In New York ... Straw Man Nov 2014 #4
Gun control ended up having zero impact in Minnesota. Jenoch Nov 2014 #5
The Minnesota House is now in GOP control. kcci Jan 2015 #11
Which GOP wins were because of gun issues? Jenoch Feb 2015 #13
Trying to argue that the only issue that caused three recalls kcci Feb 2015 #17
What three recalls? I could be spacing out. Jenoch Feb 2015 #18
Colorado had their first three recalls in state history kcci Feb 2015 #19
Go back and re-read my post to which you Jenoch Feb 2015 #20
Good question derby378 Nov 2014 #6
The NRA is so punk. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #9
Lots of NRA poorly rated folks, got replaced by (A) rated folks.. virginia mountainman Nov 2014 #7
Gun-control is a sign-on bonus for any GOPer... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #8
I don't think it was a factor in Michigan Kaleva Nov 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Electric Monk Jan 2015 #12
They are deluded, those who think that citizens want more gun control, that there are fewer owners. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #14
Why is the 2A the only right were we support a regressive agenda? ileus Feb 2015 #15
Cause toters are rude and don't deserve rights discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #16
kick ileus Nov 2015 #21
Well, considering Bloomberg is a "former" Republican... LAGC Nov 2015 #24
K&R n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #22
WaPo TeddyR Nov 2015 #23
Bloomberg's gun control group "Everytown for Gun Safety" backed two Democrats. SecularMotion Nov 2015 #25
Read the article from the WaPo TeddyR Nov 2015 #26
So, you're willing to claim Gecker lost on gun control, but won't credit McPike for winning SecularMotion Nov 2015 #27
Obama won that district by 64 percent gejohnston Nov 2015 #28
This wasn't a Presidential election with a high turnout. SecularMotion Nov 2015 #29
true, but this is a safe district gejohnston Nov 2015 #30
Sure, SecMo. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #31

earthside

(6,960 posts)
1. In Colorado - it mattered.
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:01 AM
Nov 2014

Democrats lost control of the state senate because of the gun safety legislation.
There's no doubt about it.

I live in one of the recall senate districts and the recall-leader won defeating the Democrat.

I, personally, am in favor of stricter gun control, but politically it always hurts Democrats because it conflicts with the values of regular working folks, union members, sports shooter, etc. Sorry, at least out here in the west that's the way it is.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
2. Same in my state,
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:21 AM
Nov 2014

my congressman lost, and lost big time last night for suggesting some gun control measures.
Gun control in the western states, with a few exceptions, CA, is a losing proposition to the electorate.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
3. It's generally pro-Republican
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:22 PM
Nov 2014

The logic is pretty simple. People that don't own guns and that aren't going to don't feel the effects, the burdens, that the laws impose on gun-owners. Or, worse yet, they ENJOY putting that burden on gun-owners because it's "hitting back at the NRA/Republicans/gun culture/gun nuts/ammosexuals".


So, the law passes, there is some temporary positive good vibes, and maybe some reelection fodder, and then the non-gun-owner moves on with life.

In the mean time, it's the gun owner that now has to travel to the police station and register their guns. Swear out an affidavit in front of a notary public about how many "large capacity magazines" they own. Go to the state police (time and money) to get a special license just to buy ammo, much less buy a gun.

And then, it's an ongoing issue. Oh, look, the latest issue of a gun magazine comes in the mail, full of nice guns that YOU CAN'T BUY because of some pandering "assault weapon" ban. You go online, you're in a gun discussion group, and many people there express their sympathies that you live in State X that fears protruding pistol grips.



It fades, and fades fast, for non-gun-owners. For gun owners, it becomes a constant factor in their lives, and a constant irritant. Ignorant or spiteful voters were used by pandering politicians to create a diversionary issue. Student loan reform? Assault weapon ban! Progressive tax reform? Gun-show-loophole! Etc.

Straw Man

(6,771 posts)
4. In New York ...
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:51 PM
Nov 2014

... it cost several upstate Democratic legislators their seats. Terry Gipson and Cecilia Tkaczyk in my area, and possibly others elsewhere -- I haven't scanned the entire results.

Andrew Cuomo's SAFE Act galvanized gun-owning voters to come out and vote Republican. Although Cuomo was re-elected governor on the strength of his downstate support, the Republicans regained the majority in the State Senate.

 

kcci

(35 posts)
17. Trying to argue that the only issue that caused three recalls
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:15 PM
Feb 2015

didn't play a major factor in the elections is ludicrous.

 

kcci

(35 posts)
19. Colorado had their first three recalls in state history
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 02:29 PM
Feb 2015

(technically one resigned instead of face the recall election)

The recalled Senators had a 6-to-1 spending advantage & still lost.
This happened in districts that voted for Obama by 20 points less than a year earlier.

33% of registered Dems polled said they supported the recalls of Democratic incumbents specifically because of gun control.

Gun control loses voters, particularly in the Midwest & Mountain West.
When a party loses the Midwest & Mountain West, it is, for all intensive purposes a regional party.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
20. Go back and re-read my post to which you
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 04:06 PM
Feb 2015

originally replied. My reference was only to the Minnesota legislative elections.

derby378

(30,261 posts)
6. Good question
Wed Nov 5, 2014, 02:49 PM
Nov 2014

Down in Texas, Wendy Davis supported open carry - and still got an F rating from the NRA. Nobody has ever gotten an F rating from the NRA that I'm aware of if they supported open carry.

I was happy to support Wendy, but I know that she angered a lot of Dems in my state who support gun control - and some of them openly stated they would boycott the election. Cowards.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
7. Lots of NRA poorly rated folks, got replaced by (A) rated folks..
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 12:58 AM
Nov 2014

Seems to remind me of 1994, a few of us were around when that happend, and remember it vividly.... Some of the "lesser learned" people around will harp on the ballot measure passing, and Hickenlooper barely hanging on to his job as proof that gun control is a winner...But look at the pro gun control senators, that just got replaced by pro-gun ones... Not to mention the "adjustments" in congress, and in statehouses...

BTW Everytown for Gun Safety, is patting themselves on the back with the defeat of Democratic Sen. Mark Pryor....You know those that spend Repuke Bloomberg's 1%er money, on defeating a democrat...

http://everytown.org/press/everytown-statement-on-election-loss-of-u-s-senator-mark-pryor-of-arkansas

They are idiots... In Arkansas, we democrats may as well close up shop and turn out the lights...

Some of us saw this coming, many of us, tried to warn others...all of us, were ignored...

Well, guess who is getting ignored now.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
8. Gun-control is a sign-on bonus for any GOPer...
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 07:21 AM
Nov 2014

So locked in is this issue, a Republican is in the game for free: Some Democrat has ponied up the ante without asking.

Kaleva

(38,164 posts)
10. I don't think it was a factor in Michigan
Thu Nov 6, 2014, 09:48 AM
Nov 2014

Dem Senate candidate Gary Peters who supports more gun control and has an F rating from the NRA crushed NRA endorsed and A rated Repub Terri Lynn Land

Response to sarisataka (Original post)

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
14. They are deluded, those who think that citizens want more gun control, that there are fewer owners.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 03:13 PM
Feb 2015

They stand by their faulty data, yet when the real data comes in at the polls, they go into denial.

I'll give them this much: surveys that result in fewer people self reporting possession of guns is significant.

It indicates that fewer people self-report gun possession, and who can blame them?

The gun control team thinks it means that fewer homes have guns.

There is, of course, no way to really study that question because people are not inclined to put targets on their backs.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
24. Well, considering Bloomberg is a "former" Republican...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:35 PM
Nov 2015

He probably just likes pushing the "gun control" agenda to help his fellow Republicans increase their numbers in state and local races.

I doubt he really cares about guns that much either way at all. It's not like he minds all his bodyguards packing heat or anything, so why should he care if the "little people" get disarmed?

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
25. Bloomberg's gun control group "Everytown for Gun Safety" backed two Democrats.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:39 PM
Nov 2015

Jeremy McPike won, but Democrat Dan Gecker, who was outspent by his Republican opponent, lost his race.

A nonprofit’s analysis of political advertising shows that Virginia candidates and outside groups spent more than $10 million running more than 20,000 TV ads this election season.

Michael Bloomberg’s gun control group led all spenders with $2.1 million in estimated spending trying to help Democrats in two key Senate seats, based on an analysis by The Center for Public Integrity.

In one of those key seats, GOP nominee Glen Sturtevant outspent his opponent Democratic Dan Gecker $915,000 to $770,000, based on the estimated figures. In the other, Democrat Jeremy McPike outspent GOP candidate Hal Parrish $888,000 to $437,000.

The Center for Public Integrity’s analysis used data from Kantar Media/CMAG, a media tracking firm that offers a widely accepted estimate of the money spent to air each spot.
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
26. Read the article from the WaPo
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

Dems expected to win this seat and didn't. In swing districts gun control is typically not a winning issue because it doesn't motivate controllers but will certainly motivate those who support the Second Amendment. Here's a quote from the article:

Other observers were blunter in ascribing blame. A Richmond Times-Dispatch editorial said Gecker “made a massive mistake” by accepting the ads from Bloomberg. “A campaign focused on guns redounded to Gecker’s despair,” it said.


And McPike won in a district that has voted Democrat the last three elections.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
27. So, you're willing to claim Gecker lost on gun control, but won't credit McPike for winning
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:15 PM
Nov 2015

Typical gunner mentality.

It was close, the RTD editorial also says Gecker may have lost anyway.

In a close race, Sturtevant garnered 49.78 percent (27,665) of the votes to Gecker’s 47.09 percent (26,171).

Around 8 p.m. Tuesday, Gecker was ahead in the race until the results came in for Powhatan County, where there was a strong Republican pull. Gecker received just 22 percent of votes in Powhatan to Sturtevant’s 73 percent.

http://wric.com/2015/11/03/sturtevant-wins-10th-district-senate-race/


I can't find statistics on the turnout, so it's hard to determine if the gun control issue brought out more voters for or against.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
28. Obama won that district by 64 percent
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

McPike won it by only 54 percent even though Bloomberg spent $1.7 million, gun control wasn't part of the campaign and the pro rights side did not push back or even bother. BTW, it is a solidly Democratic district.
Gun control supports don't turn out like opponents do because the former has nothing to lose or gain. The latter, on the other hand, does.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
29. This wasn't a Presidential election with a high turnout.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:08 PM
Nov 2015

The small number of one-issue voters have the ability to sway elections where the turnout is small. Their influence is negligible in elections with large turnouts.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
30. true, but this is a safe district
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:17 PM
Nov 2015

and neither side mentioned guns. I don't think Bloomberg's money made a difference either way in that race. Of course some would simply vote against Bloomberg.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
31. Sure, SecMo.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:21 PM
Nov 2015

McPike's seat had previously been held by 89-year-old Democrat Charles Colgan, the longest serving state senator in Virginia history, who opted not to run for re-election.

McPike's seat was held by Democrats for almost 40 consecutive years. I'm sure Bloomturd was a big part of keeping that seat...yeah right.

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