During the upcoming campaign season, many of us pro-RKBA Democrats will be trying to convince our pro-RKBA neighbors that they should cast their vote for a progressive candidate on the "D" ticket. In some cases (like Bernie Sanders), our candidates actually have a pretty decent record on the RKBA. In others (say, Elizabeth Warren), their record on RKBA is bad, but their economic and pro-choice (etc.) policies are so good that we might even try to say, "Hey, hold your nose right now, and we can fight to convince them of RKBA issues in due time."

But those RKBA swing voiters might decide to check Democratic Underground to help make up their own minds. And here they will see Fred Sanders' blustery banning blather, and all our arguments for voting a Democratic ticket in 2016 will probably be dismissed.

Thanks Fred.

-app

Nor those of 80 plus million people.

Does that mean he is 'coming' for the criminals guns and will leave the rest of us and ours alone?

And you never will.

I'll bake a cake

What police department do you serve on?

It seems we have a bonafide 'gun owner' that agrees with 'coming for the guns'.

And Fred rec'ed his own thread. That's both sad and cute.

Some of those same people have reassured us repeatedly that we are all "paranoid" and "nobody wants to ban your guns".

At least they say that when they think no one is paying attention to them. Which, thankfully, is pretty much all the time.

Its just private property that belongs to...others.

Nothing to see here.

Not a firearms advocacy group I belong to.

Please don't pretend 'guns' and the wholly-owned subsidiary of the GOP known as the 'nra' are synonymous.

Make sure to bring lunch, and please, bring enough for everyone.

Others have posted some excellent recipes for you to choose from, like this one:

http://www.food.com/recipe/chicken-fried-spam-247582

What mechanism do you propose to "come after our guns"?
New laws perhaps, backed up by potential use of force, ie
guns?
If this is the case, you are advocating for "guns as a solution to guns" much like most, in the citizen disarmament camp.
I find the irony disturbing.

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Anyone with a Black's Law dictionary level of legal understanding or above seem to get through...a real puzzle.

None yet.

Go ahead and discuss the premise of the OP and I will stay on the sidelines while you do debate and discuss seriously and factually the issue of the NRA being much like the Dixie Swastika...or not?

How can he be here to discuss anything, if he has all of us ignored?


Seems counter to our SOP.

It must suck to have such a weak argument that one must his everyone to avoid dicussion.

I like to see what people are saying and not afraid to see it.

Must be terrible to be that afraid of differing opinions. Just terrible.

Does anyone really believe that Fred doesn't keep track of every post he makes?

A narcissist is going to keep tracking every response by the hour because every single syllable that comes out of their pie hole is just so important..

And we can be pretty sure that Fred had the same level of involvement regarding the Confederate Battle Flag that he does on gun control.

He sits at his keyboard searches for cartoons by other, smarter people, and tells everyone else what they have to think and what they should do from the sidelines. Never bothering to get off his couch to actually do anything.

That any bluster about 'ignore' from the anti-gun side, is trickery aimed at getting us to modify our jury blacklists thinking that he can't be on any of our potential juries because he's supposedly ignoring us.

Its not like that degree of underhanded trickery hasn't been seen before from that side of the debate.

like Munchkin cards?

nothing to see here... move along.

Nothing to see here.....move along.

Have a nice day.

when you base your opinions on facts let us know.

The fact is that Fred claims to have 47 people on ignore; this is due to the fact that he cannot deal with conflicting thoughts and ideas.

Fact is -- gun control is an election loser and every time it makes the news there is a gun buying spree in the country.

Fact is -- you cannot disarm 80+ million people

Fact is -- even attempting it would require lots and lots of -- wait for it -- guns

is always fun to poke. So thin skinned. Full of themselves. Self serving.

so they say...

example of the typical gun lover passive aggressive voice on this thread?

Please cut and paste to me if you have the time.

I used to cut and paste quotes with links from them in a word doc, but lost track of it over the years.... probably have it on back-up drive... they went all the way back to DU 1...

You have the sack to actually engage in conversation/debate on this matter, not just insult, threaten, and shove your fingers in your ears to avoid hearing anything contrary to your opinion. Why support someone who doesn't?

over not "engaging in civil debate and conversation" in the Gungeon...like that ever happens?

The solution to too many guns is more guns....is logic only the NRA supports. Logic so twisted there is no point engaging, Full Ignore is the only logical choice.

Yes, you might get your ass handed to you in a debate. Big fucking deal. Didactically presenting opinions without actually engaging in meaningful, substantive conversation accomplishes fuck-all.

Way to perfectly make my point for me. Comedy-tier performance there, Freddie.

But if you refuse to engage with the majority of posters in the group, I see no reason for the group mod to allow you to remain. Drive-by posting without discussion is trolling.

finally a regressive that will admit what they really want.

Is so interested in debate that he only wants to read posts from those who support his point of view (confiscate/ban) and blocks everyone else? Sounds very authoritarian to me, almost fascist. And these types of posts are exactly why Republicans can sell the "Democrats want to ban guns" story, even though the vast majority of Democrats do NOT want to ban guns. Plays right into the NRA's hands.

If his arguments had any merit, he would have no problem defending them but they don't.

Fred, do you realize that the Confederate Flag has not been banned or even regulated anywhere in the USA. That would be an unequivocal violation of the First Amendment. All that has happened is that some statehouses have voluntarily (and commendably) chosen not to fly the flag along with the American Flag and their state flags (although some of those state flags still have the Confederate Flag incorporated within their design).

If your cartoon was actually a representation of the extent of gun control advocacy, congratulations, you can declare victory and go home. Firearms are already prohibited or highly restricted in most statehouses and government buildings, all without much objection from firearm owners.

However, if your intent is to "ban" or banish the NRA, from statehouses or the general public, you'll need to repeal both the First and Second Amendments. Good luck with that...

Doesn't matter anyway....he has all the "false" pro2A democrats on ignore.

Sadly, far too many of our own party ignore or scorn other Democrats who don't believe the 2A is some abomination in the Bill of Rights. They fail to understand that such an intransigent attitude has hurt the party politically for over a generation, everything from the extreme electoral losses that resulted from the now expired Assault Weapons Ban to more recent losses where Republicans now totally dominate the South and much of the Midwest, including a clear majority of seats in Congress and control of state governments.

Gun control is not only an big electoral loser with a majority of the population, it has effectively prevented broader progressive legislation for decades. No amount of cartoons or complaints about NRA "talking points" change this inescapable fact.

bu, but, but the cartoon shows it and it was on the internets so it must be true right?

We're keeping our guns fred. You can not seem to differentiate between the tiny minority that misuses guns, and the 'beyond-supermajority' that doesn't.


I'm reminded of 'Fridays child', from ST:TOS:

'What the Klingon has said is unimportant, and we do not hear his words.'

should we use an updated version of paul revere's secret signal “One, if by air, and two, if by sea”

as they left a lot of theirs on a beach in France, and the Islands were believed to be next on Hitler's list of possessions. We voluntarily sent over quite a few, and, in thanks, they threw them in the ocean or melted them down instead of returning them to their rightful owners after the danger had passed. Rather ingrateful, I'd say.

Are you still "coming for our guns"?

Control your guns or someone else will

And it will be someone else with a gun.

...I thought your admonition was TO the authorities.

...for those who wouldn't know what to do if there weren't any.

that those in favor of gun control are more trusting of the police and politicians, than their fellow citizen?

isn't it the purpose of our constitution to limit the power of our government?

it was thomas paine who wrote "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil;" http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm