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the best home defense weapon (Original Post) Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 OP
Black powder, I assume HassleCat Aug 2015 #1
Geez. That's probably WHY there aren't so many waterfowl around any more... PatrickforO Aug 2015 #2
Yes, it was called "market hunting" HassleCat Aug 2015 #3
Market hunting was the reason our modern hunting regulations were passed. benEzra Aug 2015 #8
Thanks to Ducks Unlimited (the other DU), duck numbers have re-bounded... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #10
Back in the day they used to have these things mounted on the bow of a large rowboat tularetom Aug 2015 #4
They have one, with the gun still on it, at Mystic Seaport DonP Aug 2015 #5
saw one in my (sorta)youth w0nderer Aug 2015 #7
truthfully, I always thought it was a dog. hollysmom Aug 2015 #6
Flamethrower -- if it's spiders Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #9
Florida's Pelican Island Wildlife Refuge, the nation's first (TR), in Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #11
I agree Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #12
Maybe a pattern competition? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #13
If people MUST keep a weapon in their home, they should be aware of the risk. SecularMotion Aug 2015 #14
Duh Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #15
If you want to post jokes, please use the correct forum SecularMotion Aug 2015 #16
Is your hair shirt tailored or off the rack? nt hack89 Aug 2015 #17
So are there no cartoon groups for you? beardown Aug 2015 #18
The Emperor is pleased sarisataka Aug 2015 #19
I saw those Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #20
How about you practice what you preach, SecMo. beevul Aug 2015 #21
Does the word hyprocrisy ring a bell? GGJohn Aug 2015 #23
If people have a vehicle, GGJohn Aug 2015 #22
I'm really leaning toward a SBRd AR in 300blkout for a new home defense rifle. ileus Aug 2015 #24
Just purchased an upper Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #25
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
1. Black powder, I assume
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:41 PM
Aug 2015

I think punt guns had been retired by the time smokeless powder came along. It is interesting to consider there used to be so many waterfowl that hunters could fire a punt gun into a flock and bring down 100 birds with one shot.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. Yes, it was called "market hunting"
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:45 PM
Aug 2015

And it took a huge toll on waterfowl. Same thing as commercial fishing.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
8. Market hunting was the reason our modern hunting regulations were passed.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 07:20 AM
Aug 2015

Basically, hunting now is an individual activity, with limits set to a family's needs rather than a food market's. Back then, hunting was also a commercial endeavour, with professional harvesters each shooting thousands or tens of thousands of birds a year to sell commercially for their meat or feathers. It was commercial harvesting, not people hunting for their own food, that drove the passenger pigeon to extinction and almost wiped out a lot of other species.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
10. Thanks to Ducks Unlimited (the other DU), duck numbers have re-bounded...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:29 PM
Aug 2015

the main threat to them now is energy exploration, destruction of the prairie pot hole region and development.

Hunting with gauges larger than .10 is prohibited, and limiting shot shell capacity to 3 for duck hunting, have also protected these wterfowl.

Some folks walk the walk, and spend the money to improve the environment.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
4. Back in the day they used to have these things mounted on the bow of a large rowboat
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:01 PM
Aug 2015

And they'd go out at night when thousands of ducks and geese were sleeping on the water.

The gun was a 4 gauge, you poured the powder down the barrel, stuffed some old rags in for wadding, and then used nails, gravel or whatever as shot.

It was basically a cannon, you lit a fuse which ignited the powder. With one blast you could get several hundred ducks.

I saw one of these things at the Chesapeake Bay Museum. Later on I met a guy who actually owned one. I kept pestering him to take it out and fire it but he wouldn't do it.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
5. They have one, with the gun still on it, at Mystic Seaport
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:19 PM
Aug 2015

The muzzle looked about 4 inches across and the gun ran almost the full length of the boat, maybe 8 feet with the boat 12 to 16 feet long. They usually had several other boats to pick up the ducks.

They were "aimed" by paddling with small paddles that looked like oversize ping pong paddles.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
7. saw one in my (sorta)youth
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 11:01 PM
Aug 2015

in UK and asked what that was...cannon to stop prisoners or so (it was on a boat, stern mounted, 6+ foot long)


nope it was to shoot birds

i went like
dude it's bigger than the shoulder mount SAM's we use!?

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
6. truthfully, I always thought it was a dog.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:52 PM
Aug 2015

it has reduced burglaries in my neighborhood when I got an walked a dog at night. Could have been that I was out reporting people when I came home, hehe hehe, Solved the stealing of the paper girl's money one night when I called the police.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
11. Florida's Pelican Island Wildlife Refuge, the nation's first (TR), in
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:40 PM
Aug 2015

Indian River County, has a punt gun on display. Artifact from over a century ago, and it can remain a wall hanger.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
14. If people MUST keep a weapon in their home, they should be aware of the risk.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:21 PM
Aug 2015
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study

Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home
increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or
number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns
in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4).
They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person
was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in
homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval:
5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a
firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence
interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the
home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide
in the home.


http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full.pdf+html

beardown

(363 posts)
18. So are there no cartoon groups for you?
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:15 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172174130

So how are cartoons appropriate, but joking vids not appropriate? I almost feel this warrants a Welch type call out against McCarthy "Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"

As long as it leads to a relevant discussion within the SOP of the group nobody seems to care much, excepting you of course. Seeing as how the post generated discussion of the development of hunting rules and such, I'd say it was a good SOP post. Perhaps, because the posters seemed to see the methodology of business driven over-hunting was bad does not mesh with your belief that gun owners are totally unreasonable when it comes to anything gun related.

Anyway, keep up the good work of posting some debate worthy news items to this group, but you should find a way to relax and let off some steam like taking up target shooting.


 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
20. I saw those
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 06:00 PM
Aug 2015

Sad that a host seems to disrespect Skinner and the hosts of GD by purposely posting SOP violations.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
21. How about you practice what you preach, SecMo.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:55 PM
Aug 2015

One should be able to expect at least that much seeing as you're a group host...

I don't however, have much hope for you actually doing so.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
22. If people have a vehicle,
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 11:20 PM
Aug 2015

they increase their risk of getting injured or killed in a traffic accident.
If people keep knives in their homes, they increase the risk of getting cut or stabbed.
If people have swimming pools, they increase their risk of drowning.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
25. Just purchased an upper
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 05:59 AM
Aug 2015

Chambered in 300 blackout. Can't wait to shoot it. The great thing about the modular AR platform. Did not need to buy a whole rifle.

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