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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:57 AM Aug 2015

A poll to change the SOP, so far 18 in favor and 4 opposed

Last edited Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:38 AM - Edit history (2)

Current SOP: "Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence."

Proposed SOP: "Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for lawful defense of self and others, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence."

If you have a preference, please share your reasons. Please confine the discussion to the options listed above. If you have an alternative to either of those, please start your own OP.

Thanks

ETA: Leaving up for further exposure and consideration.


11 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Change to the proposed SOP
8 (73%)
Keep the current SOP
3 (27%)
Will support either majority
0 (0%)
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A poll to change the SOP, so far 18 in favor and 4 opposed (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 OP
If I'd ever thought about it, I would have assumed that a petronius Aug 2015 #1
Agreed discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #2
Lawful is limiting needledriver Aug 2015 #3
imho... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #4
Indeed needledriver Aug 2015 #5
Agreed discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #6
I would like to see the word "Discuss" in all caps and bold letters. oneshooter Aug 2015 #7
Perhaps an addition could be made to the effect... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #11
Very good idea, IMO. pablo_marmol Sep 2015 #12
excuse my overall bluntness discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #13
Speaking of which. oneshooter Sep 2015 #14
AFAIK the trash function is a temporary means to block a thread discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2015 #16
explanation por favor jimmy the one Sep 2015 #15
Holding off for now. I think I see the point, but I am concerned... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #8
re: "...bottom-scraping local newz stories..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #9
I have no objection to the change, having considered it further... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #10

petronius

(26,657 posts)
1. If I'd ever thought about it, I would have assumed that a
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:12 AM
Aug 2015

broader meaning of "self-defense" was implied - it should refer to all uses of firearms for defense of life or property...

 

needledriver

(836 posts)
3. Lawful is limiting
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:03 PM
Aug 2015

I voted to keep the current SOP because restricting the SOP to lawful self defense would technically prevent us from posting and discussing examples of firearms use in self defense that was judged un-lawful. This would prevent us from discussing and gaining insight into the specific instance. We can also learn from bad examples!

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
7. I would like to see the word "Discuss" in all caps and bold letters.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 05:26 PM
Aug 2015

Perhaps then certain posters would see it.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
11. Perhaps an addition could be made to the effect...
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:21 PM
Sep 2015

..."OPs require input from the posting member in the way original thought on why an event highlights the members articulated suggestions for legislation/enforcement that is needed or legislation/enforcement that needs to be either modified or eliminated."

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
12. Very good idea, IMO.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:42 AM
Sep 2015

There should be no place for cowardly hit-and-run posts anywhere on DU. I just noticed that one DU member just called out another for a content-free OP in the GD Primaries forum.

The strategy of spam posters is clear. Dr. Gary Kleck refers to the dishonest tactic of pro-control supporters when they quote one garbage study after another. They attempt to convince an uninformed public that "the evidence is mixed" w/regard to gun violence, when of course the evidence is decidedly unkind for Control. Our resident member/spammer(s) are of course aware that muddying the waters of honest discourse works to his/their advantage, given that the Control thesis relies on appeals to emotion. They likely also know that many who read our threads come from outside of DU -- and it is in their interest to suppress the fact than a fair number of Democrats refuse to sign off on the ludicrous, self-destructive and dishonest hand-wringing we do w/regard to imaginary threats such as "assault weapons", "gun show loopholes" and armor-piercing ammunition.

Of course such a rule would apply equally to pro-RKBA members. Deciding on what constitutes honest presentation/discussion of an article could be at times problematic, but I think that the forum moderator is more than qualified to make calls on this.

My 2 cents.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
13. excuse my overall bluntness
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 06:44 AM
Sep 2015
I consider the copy-paste formula to be just "shit against the wall" tactics. Unproductive and offensive to the discourse minded and worthy only of a monkey in a cage.

It cheats those who trust. There's not a much more dishonest or disgusting activity.

Thanks

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
16. AFAIK the trash function is a temporary means to block a thread
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:10 AM
Sep 2015

After a while the thread will reappear in the list for the containing forum or group but by the time it does it will likely be off the 1st page and no longer presenting a distraction. DU trash is like a toilet that doesn't flush.

sorry

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
15. explanation por favor
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 10:53 AM
Sep 2015

Pablo: Dr. Gary Kleck refers to the dishonest tactic of pro-control supporters when they quote one garbage study after another. They attempt to convince an uninformed public that "the evidence is mixed" w/regard to gun violence, when of course the evidence is decidedly unkind for Control

Could you post a link/source to this?
oh wait, it's Pablo, never mind; I'll see what I can come up with.
OK, here's what I got on google, just an excerpt, library puter is blocking this one:

Targeting Guns- Firearms and Their Control Gary Kleck ... Rather than just censoring all the contrary studies or claiming there is little or no relevant evidence, they adopt a stance of ... Often what the term "mixed evidence" really appears to mean is that "the evidence is overwhelmingly contrary to my preferred views, but there is at least a ... https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0202369412

Don't understand, Pablo. Are those vile gun control advocates citing 'GARBAGE STUDIES', or are they citing 'CONTRARY STUDIES'? - assumedly pro-gun studies 'contrary' to gun control.
... How can supposedly anti-gun 'garbage studies' be 'unkind to gun control', if they (supposedly) anti-gun to begin with?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
8. Holding off for now. I think I see the point, but I am concerned...
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 01:08 PM
Aug 2015

this may result in bottom-scraping local newz stories about some alleged shooting without context or clarification addressing a legal, societal or constitutional issue(s). How can the TOSN be tightened to prevent this? There are some occasional OPs by anti-2A members which at last broach topics of debate; I have no problem with these, as far as it goes. I would like to see OPs which give a good-faith effort, and not leave the task of guessing to readers. In the spirit of BOLD FACE emphasis, I suggest language which sez:

It is the responsibility of the OP to show how the thread relates to gun policy, laws, and rights.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
9. re: "...bottom-scraping local newz stories..."
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:08 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not sure that would be more of problem under the proposed SOP than under the current SOP.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
10. I have no objection to the change, having considered it further...
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:51 PM
Aug 2015

and I expect the change to address the current problem of disrespect and dumping. However, I am following your exp. of trashing when I can't see any purpose for an OP esp as regards SOP.

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