That some minds are so fixated on weapons and violence that they can turn the most innocuous statement into something sinister.

It does help explain the religious zealousness to doctine over facts and the bigoted demonizing of every gun owner. The obsessive fear overrides rationality.

I dont think of a swiss amry knife, leatherman or old timer knifes are weapons. They have a non locking blade of about 2-3 inches and take two hands to open.

You would have thought the thread was about which switchblade they should buy based on some reactions.

Just using their own meme against them. A pocket knife IS a weapon, even if it is not used as such.

Funny thing is, none of them see it as such, when all LE consider it as a weapon.

like a screwdriver, it can also BE a weapon.

My KampKing is always in my pocket.

PS, it's not a weapon...


the police need to get their lives straightened out

For a moment. I was honest at saying my pen is the weapon, not the knife. I can even carry the pen openly or bring it on a plane without alarming anyone.

On a daily basis it is an option less than a 230 gr HST.

The knife, gun, or ball peen hammer just happens to be the tool the weapon used to inflict damage. Hence the saying: There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people.

than a weapon.
I carry one all the time, mainly because I am a farmer and it really sucks when you're out in the field and need it.
I also use it to clean the dirt out from under my fingernails, opening packages I receive (is a box cutter more PC?), etc .

A knife only becomes a weapon when it is used as one.

When I first started, I had to go back to the truck and remove the Leatherman from my belt. We have an ISD police force with armed officers in the schools. It does not seem to cause student consternation. (Someday I will share my rant about policing in this little bit of heaven.)

The Catholic high school 3 of my grandchildren attend is far more strict on this policy. They have no police.

At least they try and twist it into that pretzel shape.

In their world knives are almost as bad as guns.

Obviously a "Gateway" Drug for "gun nutz".

Why, you'll probably go from a Swiss Army knife to a full auto SAW in less than a month.

donP: It's supposed to be about who carries a pocket knife, what they use it for, what kind it is... It's interesting to see the differing opinions and knives and the vast majority of posts are on topic, about what kind of knife they carry. But the inevitable handful of gun control fans insist on declaring all of them "weapons" and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon".

Ok I bit. I scrolled down the entire thread of ~228 posts (sept 18); donP contends that gun control fans used the word 'killer', yet, guess what donP? the only two posts where the word 'killer' appears in the ENTIRE THREAD, is from two gun enthusiasts, hack & oneshooter:

hack89 (31,591 posts) 193 I keep forgetting that to you weapons are magic talismans capable of turning the mildest man into a serial killer.
oneshooter (7,453 posts) 194. I am just pushing the anti self defense peoples meme. If you carry a weapon, you are a killer in waiting.

Go ahead, donP, post something where a 'gun control fan' said "anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon"."

donP: and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon".

Actually donP, I didn't see any 'gun control fan' use the term 'deadly weapon'. Why don't you copy & paste where a gun control fan wrote 'deadly weapon', since all I come up with using 'deadly weapon' is by oneshooter & some replies by innocuous knife guys:

oneshooter (7,453 posts) 165. It is truly amazing how many democrats carry a deadly weapon. n/t
oneshooter (7,453 posts) 3. A pocket knife IS a weapon, even if it is not used as such.. when all LE consider it as a weapon.
oneshooter (7,453 posts).... 173. So you admit that you carry a deadly weapon to use on others?

In fact donP, the only one who comes close to using the words as you attribute to 'gun control fans', is oneshooter:

oneshooter (7,453 posts) 191. If they routinely carry dangerous weapons concealed on their person, they have the capability of injuring, even killing others.

And observe what ms Poppet had to say: Lizzie Poppet (5,061 posts) 211. I don't carry my knife to use on others. That's what the 9mm is for.

Mineral man 166 replied to oneshooter post 165: I can't imagine how a non-locking pocket knife is much of a deadly weapon, you know.

Is that what you meant donP? that mineral man was somehow saying that anyone who carried a knife was a potential killer carrying a deadly weapon? bizarre reasoning, donP.
Comrade grumpy used 'deadly weapon' but hardly what donP contends:

Comrade Grumpy (12,507 posts) 176. Hell, I drive around every day in a deadly weapon. If deadly weapons are all you're looking for, deadly weapons are all you'll find. Or are you trying to make some sort of gunner point?

MineralMan (75,752 posts) 18. Mine would be useless as a weapon, but it's a great tool.
MineralMan (75,752 posts) 24. I think a lot of people forget that knives are tools first.
Aerows 101. As for it being a weapon, my would be absolutely useless for that because it's only about 1 1/2" long. It's just a tool.
uppityperson huh, I never thought of it as a weapon.Maybe because I carry at least one and use it regularly as a tool and you don't carry one or use it as a tool.
zipplewrath Maybe "Handyman".... It's a tool. Not only that, but if I tried to even use it as a weapon, the person most likely to get hurt would be me. Without a locking blade it is extremely difficult to use as a weapon.
Adrahil I don't think most of us carry them as weapons. Mine is used as a tool. I guess I could stab someone with it, but if I felt THAT unsafe, I'd carry a gun.
yuiyoshida 74. I own two swiss army knives because I thought they were cool and handy, but I never carry them with me, as it might be considered a weapon, and I don't wish to end up in Jail

You may make some good points but I never bother to read them. Brevity is your friend.

sarisataka: It is sad and disturbing That some minds are so fixated on weapons and violence that they can turn the most innocuous statement into something sinister.

You mean like hack & oneshooter?:

hack89 (31,591 posts) 193 I keep forgetting that to you weapons are magic talismans capable of turning the mildest man into a serial killer.
oneshooter (7,453 posts) 194. I am just pushing the anti self defense peoples meme. If you carry a weapon, you are a killer in waiting.

Can you copy & paste where what you say occurred by a gun control advocate?

sarisatak: It does help explain the religious zealousness to doctrine over facts and the bigoted demonizing of every gun owner. The obsessive fear overrides rationality.

Actually sarisataka, I went thru the entire thread & didn't see any bigoted demonizing of every gun owner. I think you're making this all up, cuddling up to donP. Here are the only two gun control advocates I recognized, and what they had to say:

hoyt: 178. Pocket knives aren't likely used to embolden people like Zman, Loughner, racists, etc. We need to confiscate gunz and replace with a 3" pocket knife, even if gun fanciers whine like babies.
214. I'm going to depend on you law-abiding gun owners to do the right thing, no matter what Cliven Bundy, Teddy Nugent, the NRA, George Zman, the little voices that tell you need 4 gun safes chocked full of weapons to enjoy live, etc., tell you.
Paladin (13,085 posts) 204. No surprise to see our DU Gun Enthusiasts claiming to carry multiple knives. No surprise whatsoever......
Paladin 225. Carrying one knife keeps things in the "tool" category. Carrying multiple knives amounts to wishful thinking.

Is that bigoted demonizing of gun owners? Hardly. As much 'demonizing' came from innocuous knife guys on the thread.
Oh, did you see my previous post, sarisataka? where it's obvious donP was posting a gigantic con job demonizing 'gun control fans'? are you defending him?

Travis: I am amazed at people that are think all those knives are weapons

You do realize travis, that the predominance of those who thought that knives were weapons, were pro gun enthusiasts? most knife guys called them tools.
In fact, it was gun enthusiasts who tried to turn the thread into a 'deadly weapon' theme.

Eleanors38 11. Like #11, 19 & 135?

Huh? you contend 3 posts by ag schmid, who has never carried a weapon of any kind, is some kind of rebuttal?

11 Agschmid (18,927 posts) I have never carried a weapon of any kind... That being said I am a 6ft white male... So that may be a reason why I have never felt the need.

19 Agschmid My day to day doesn't really require tools... But I can totally understand that it does for people. ETA: As self reflection... It's interesting I saw that question as "about a weapon" not a "tool"...

.. the question ag schmid ostensibly refers to is in the OP: .. do you carry a knife in your pocket or in your purse?

135 Agschmid It's funny because I'm the opposite, I never thought of it as a tool. Perspective is a funny thing, huh?

Just because ag schmid considered the OP question was in reference to a knife as a weapon rather than a tool, means what as to demonizing gun owners or going 'sinister'?
He merely read the question as pertaining to carrying a knife for defense rather than as a tool, he wasn't 'fixated' on weapons or violence; some people indeed carry a knife for defense, with no fixation on violence.

I have to presume you were replying to this question to sarisataka in post 10, where he contended the below sentence, & you're saying agschmid is going 'sinister'?:
sarisatka:That some minds are so fixated on weapons and violence that they can turn the most innocuous statement into something sinister.

You are reaching into strained reasoning to post this as any kind of serious rebuttal of what I said, & to post it in defense of donP's con job, is appalling. You make little sense.

Anyone who recommended this con job of an OP should be ashamed of themselves & remove their names to atone.

Is the poster is some kind of "gun enthusiast" by your reckoning? I don't think he is.

I think it is part of our urban/rural divide that knives are seen by some as weapons and not as tools. I carry 3 on my deer hunting ventures to field dress, skin, quarter, and trim deers -- saves the hassle of sharpening mid-stream. My other tool is a high-powered deer rifle.

Is a bit bigger than a pocket knife. Reminds me of the "that's a knife" quote from Crocodile Dundee.

A huge knife in the deer woods is a sign of the rank amateur. Big knives can serve the function of cutting small wood, self-defense against dangerous animals, even digging. Two of my knives have 3.5" blades (one a drop point), the third is about 6," a fixed blade used chiefly for splitting open the chest cavity. Some folks do the whole deer with a good pocket knife.

Though I'm firmly pro-2d Amendment, and grew up in the mountains of NC, I'm a bit of a softie when it comes to animals/hunting. Fishing was my thing growing up, and certainly cleaned a few trout in my time, but not deer.

Like the big blade for cutting through the chest and keep the smaller backside blade sharp for detail work.

My folks gave that to me in the early 60s. Still in good shape, surviving my pounding on the handle to split the pelvic arch. Has the leather-wound (?) handle which is still intact. I've had to sew up the leather case, and the snap has broken off. Don't make 'em like they used to!

My Dad had a Kabar. It went to my older brother. Great knife.

My comment

I haven't seen any strict gun control proponent say "Yes, I'd rather have a pro-gun Democrat in Congress rather than give up the seat to a Republican. I have seen people say "So what, we don't need those kind of Democrats"

Gun control supporters are single issue voters. They are willing to sacrifice the party platform in an act of spite. Ironically they are making their goal ever more difficult to achieve with their short-sightedness.

I guess in gun control world, there is no such thing as self reflection and "post game" win/loss analysis.

Instead they seem to double down with snark, insult and ignorance. No real thought to; "OK, we lost, what can we do and how do we build a more effective infrastructure?" They just don't seem to be self aware or even terribly bright about this. But to them it's more a of a moral crusade then a legal issue.

On top of that they have no real "skin in the game" with Bloomberg and the Joyce Foundation picking up the check for every loss.

Their latest loss in DC to Stephen Halbrook is a good example. Halbrook, like Alan Gura is now 4 for 4 in 2nd amendment cases.

Instead of recognizing their over reaching fails like DC, they insist on trying to win with a grand slam every time they get an at bat. No thought of trying to get a basic law passed that has some gun owner support, like UBC or allowing public access to NICS. "Gun owners are evil and the enemy", but also the eventual key to getting anything done.

Every time they insist on going for the fences with every case they get their mitts on, adding on Feinstein's latest flavor of AWB, National Registration of all semi autos, magazine restrictions et. al.

Time and again they wind up with a big, fat whiff. They just seem incapable of learning anything other than trying to silence any and all dissent.

donP: Consistently re-sowing the seeds of their own failure I guess in gun control world, there is no such thing as self reflection and "post game" win/loss analysis.

This was a cowardly attempt to avoid proving your contentions in your depraved OP. Let me repeat my request that you provide proof; copy & paste something from any gun control advocate on that knife thread which supports your disgusting bigotry below:

donP: It's supposed to be about who carries a pocket knife, what they use it for, what kind it is ... the inevitable handful of gun control fans insist on declaring all of them "weapons" and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon".

Tell us donP, who are these 'handful of gun control fans' who said anything like this? name them. The ones who used the terms deadly weapons & killers are mainly gunners, with a few innocuous knifer posts often replying to gunners.
.. the only two posts where the word 'killer' appears in the ENTIRE THREAD, is from two gun enthusiasts, hack & oneshooter:

hack89 193 I keep forgetting that to you weapons are magic talismans capable of turning the mildest man into a serial killer.
oneshooter 194. I am just pushing the anti self defense peoples meme. If you carry a weapon, you are a killer in waiting.

donP: and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon".

You confusing oneshooter with us gun control fans, donP? he's one of YOU, not us.

Actually donP, I didn't see any 'gun control fan' use the term 'deadly weapon' either. Why don't you copy & paste where a gun control fan wrote 'deadly weapon', since all I come up with using 'deadly weapon' is by oneshooter & some replies by innocuous knife guys:

oneshooter (7,453 posts) 165. It is truly amazing how many democrats carry a deadly weapon. n/t
oneshooter (7,453 posts) 3. A pocket knife IS a weapon, even if it is not used as such..
oneshooter (7,453 posts).... 173. So you admit that you carry a deadly weapon to use on others?
oneshooter (7,453 posts) 191. If they routinely carry dangerous weapons concealed on their person, they have the capability of injuring, even killing others.
Lizzie Poppet (5,061 posts) 211. I don't carry my knife to use on others. That's what the 9mm is for.

Why did you duck remarking on the following? You clearly were agreeing with donP's depraved OP about 'gun control fans' turning mineral man's thread into 'something sinister'.

sarisataka wrote: It is sad and disturbing That some minds are so fixated on weapons and violence that they can turn the most innocuous statement into something sinister.

Your above sentence meshes perfectly with donP's OP, to which you were replying: But the inevitable handful of gun control fans insist on declaring all of them "weapons" and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon"... It's an excellent example of how far down the rabbit hole some of them have gone. They are incapable of posting on anything they think can be twisted to their worldview without demanding others rally to their agenda.

Since you stand proud with donP on this, copy & paste from the crosspost thread exactly where any gun control advocate, or even the knife posters, said something remotely similar to what donP is talking about. The ones on that knife thread suggesting killers & deadly weapons were PRO GUN posters (or those replying to them in their own defense), in contradiction of donP.
Don't prevaricate with your silly nonsense, sarisataka, you are supporting donP's OP by your recommendation. So provide some solid evidence that what he said has factual basis, and not some triviality you use as an escape hatch.
Here are the most severe remarks about knives being deadly weapons, or suggestions of 'killers', and they are from GUNNERS:

gunner hack89 193 I keep forgetting that to you weapons are magic talismans capable of turning the mildest man into a serial killer.

gunner donP: and anyone that carries one {knife} is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon".

gunner oneshooter 194. I am just pushing the anti self defense peoples meme. If you carry a weapon, you are a killer in waiting.
oneshooter 165. It is truly amazing how many democrats carry a deadly weapon. n/t
oneshooter 3. A pocket knife IS a weapon, even if it is not used as such..
oneshooter .... 173. So you admit that you carry a deadly weapon to use on others?
oneshooter 191. If they routinely carry dangerous weapons concealed on their person, they have the capability of injuring, even killing others.
oneshooter 167. It is a "weapon". It has a sharp blade that can be used to injure. It is a weapon

198: (response to oneshooter 167) Adrahil {knife carrier} 198. OFFS....A sharp pencil is a weapon if you want to get down to it. This is idiotic. I carry a knife because I often need to CUT things, and that's what knives are for! Coiuld I kill someone with it? Yeah.... but if that were my intention, I'd carry a gun, not a knife. I have a gun carry permit, but don't carry one.

gunner Lizzie Poppet 211. I don't carry my knife to use on others. That's what the 9mm is for.

Now post something as 'sinister' as those, by a gun control advocate, or a knife poster. (I don't consider adrahil 'pro gun' as yet, what he said I have no problem with, giving benny of doubt)

Yet give little.

I owe you nothing until you reply to the statement I have repeatedly offered to you-

I haven't seen you, or any other strict gun control proponent say "Yes, I'd rather have a pro-gun Democrat in Congress rather than give up the seat to a Republican. I have seen people say "So what, we don't need those kind of Democrats"

Gun control supporters are single issue voters. They are willing to sacrifice the party platform in an act of spite. Ironically they are making their goal ever more difficult to achieve with their short-sightedness.

sarisataka: You demand much Yet give little.

Go soak your head. You recommended donP's post, you stand by it, provide some proof of his depravity or become fully part of it.

s: I owe you nothing until you reply to the statement I have repeatedly offered to you-

Wrong, completely wrong, such sophistry does not stand up in court. You don't make ultimatums mister, to weasel out of why you're defending depravity. Yes you do need explain your reasoning on THIS thread, & the KNIFE thread, and you have no right to invoke some stupid expedient ultimatum to weasel out of it.
You made a remark which supports donP, your peripheral concoctions are irrelevant. You try some weasel tactic to extricate yourself from the deep hole you've fallen into.

S: I haven't seen you, or any other strict gun control proponent say "Yes, I'd rather have a pro-gun Democrat in Congress rather than give up the seat to a Republican. I have seen people say "So what, we don't need those kind of Democrats"

Who cares? who speaks in absolutes? mainly foot stickers. This is a disgusting red herring. What has this to do with donP's disgusting lie about gun control advocates? you think shifting focus a decent argument you make?

s: Gun control supporters are single issue voters. They are willing to sacrifice the party platform in an act of spite.

Oh vomit. Sanctimony now, as if there aren't pro gun democrats who vote republican, or even switch parties year to year to vote who's the more pro gun.

See if you can figure it out

Gun control supporters are single issue voters. They are willing to sacrifice the party platform in an act of spite.

sarisataka: That you choke on the words to support a Democrat who differs from you on your pet issue speaks volumes. It makes my follow up statement true.

Specious sophistry, ymms.

You are a coward who cannot support what you recommended with any facts or substance, and resort to specious sophistry to wiggle out of your obligation. You are a poor representative for the pro gun side.

a poor representative for the pro gun side than a DINO who abandons the party in a huff like a toddler who didn't get a sucker.

Also I vote for pro-GC Dems so I will proudly stand as apoor representative for the pro gun side

sarisak: I would rather be a poor representative for the pro gun side than a DINO who abandons the party...

Another false predicate (the tailing), so typical of you.

sarisak: You demand much Yet give little.

I demand much??? I demand fair play, I demand justness, I demand veracity, I demand you explain properly rather than play dodge ball.
I demand an explanation from you or donP for why donP is falsely accusing gun control advocates of twisting mineral man's knife thread into some kind of malicious attack on knife owners. Where is donP's proof? he has none.

You sarisak are the only one here defending donP, both by your lock step support in post #1 and your recommendation, thus you are complicit so I demand you provide an explanation with excerpts which demonstrate where "..the inevitable handful of gun control fans insist on declaring all of them "weapons" and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon"."

The sad fact for you is that no gun control advocate on that thread said that. It was a figment of donP's imagination, a malicious concoction made out of his spite. His rabid hatred of gun control caused him to view the innocuous knife thread, presuppose what 'gun control fans' would say about knives as deadly weapons & potential killers, and then transpose his own twisted thoughts as coming from us.
He got caught, he didn't anticipate anyone checking his false claims; I envision him sitting in a corner whimpering & palpitating as he suddenly found out that DU isn't such a happy valley for his twisted fabrications.

sarisak: And no, it was not a gun enthusiast who was first, or even second to look upon a knife as a deadly weapon.

Yes it was. Oneshooter first & second used the term 'deadly weapon'. XDigger in 130 referred to swords in his signature line, not applicable as it was a sword & a sig line is not a reply. Previous references to oneshooter's 165 regarding 'weapons' were almost all discounting a knife's use as a weapon. Another footstick for sarisak. Keep digging your hole, I'm actually enjoying this.

first mention of 'deadly weapon': oneshooter 165. It is truly amazing how many democrats carry a deadly weapon.

{knife owner} Stardust 171. I carry a Leatherman in my bag--a must-have for single ladies
2nd mention of deadly weapon: oneshooter 173. So you admit that you carry a deadly weapon to use on others?

Barf. ONESHOOTER was the first to support donP's depraved accusation about: declaring all of them "weapons" and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon

Where is your admonishment of donP? you & icon & eleanors plop halos onto your heads & ignore his obvious lies, then twaddle on to shift focus onto his accuser, with irrelevant red herrings.

members have recommended donP's depraved thread:
beevul sarisataka DashOneBravo oneshooter virginia mountainman appal_jack discntnt_irny_srcsm

sarisaka: I haven't seen you, or any other strict gun control proponent say "Yes, I'd rather have a pro-gun Democrat in Congress rather than give up the seat to a Republican. I have seen people say "So what, we don't need those kind of Democrats"
Gun control supporters are single issue voters. They are willing to sacrifice the party platform in an act of spite. Ironically they are making their goal ever more difficult to achieve with their short-sightedness.

Mr sanctimonious has no problem with bashing gun control advocate Diane Feinstein, however. Including when she was up for reelection:

sari: Three tip offs that DiFi was grandstanding and really didn't care if her bill passed:
1- her lips were moving (obligatory cheap shot)

jun 2012 sarisaka: And there lies the problem Whenever it is asked of pro-control people, what are 'common sense laws' you get one of three replies.... More extreme pro-gun laws are passed without comment because moderates want as much negotiating power as possible for the day the pendulum swings and people like Lautenberg and Feinstein are able to push their agendas... http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=46353

sari: Ugly- DiFI's attention grabbing lather, rinse, repeat will take the wind out of the sails and choke down discussion on measures which could actually improve this situation and be backed by the majority both sides of the issue http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=107197

apr 2012 stbd tack asked: show me a quote from Bloomberg where he says anything remotely like you should be arrested for mere ownership and that anyone wanting to own a gun is insane
sarisaka replied:..... Bloomberg did not make those specific statements; it was the others I referred to. I apologize for not being more clear.

And who was in sarisaka's list of 'anyone wanting to own a gun is insane? "Banning guns {certain ones} addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." --U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein 11/18/93
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117228511#post50

sarisaka: Also I vote for pro-GC Dems so I will proudly stand as apoor representative for the pro gun side

Specious mr sanctimonious. You cannot vote in 49 states, only your own.
So you have no problems BASHING gun control democrats running in other states in election years, eh?

the amount of effort you are putting into stalking me. Just ask.

IMO, Feinstein is a DINO.
Not a fan of the First, Second, or Fourth Amendments and iffy on many other issues:

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sarisak: None of the statements I made were during the designated general election season.

Now you are restricting bad mouthing to DU tos rules? suddenly it becomes a DU issue rather than a general issue? so that outside of DU it's OK for you to badmouth DiFi during an election year?
I did not bad mouth begich or pryor during the 2014 election season. (I believe) I wanted them to win, so as to keep the senate.
So what is your point? you have none, by your own standards.

I wrote: Who cares? who speaks in absolutes? mainly foot stickers. This is a disgusting red herring.

sarisak wrote: That you choke on the words to support a Democrat who differs from you on your pet issue speaks volumes. It makes my follow up statement true. Gun control supporters are single issue voters. They are willing to sacrifice the party platform in an act of spite.

I didn't choke on anything, except generally after reading your twisted renditions of things. And you think gun owners all think along your lines? see my post to icon where there might be a half million dem gun owners in calif who didn't support Diane Feinstein in 2012, either financially or by voting someone else or abstaining. Are those gun owners all despicable hypocrites to you?
I would support a dem over a repub over 99.5% of the time, and the other 0.5% would likely be an abstention from voting. Yes mr specious, there are indeed times I could not vote for a democrat who has drastic differences from what I believe in. I call it conviction. It also would depend on how important or how close the election was.
Was it you who cited ben franklin?: He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.”

marmol: I would be *honored* by James' offensive language.

Gracias, su nauseabundo hombre.

marmol: Consider the source. A man of such "courage" he dares not investigate what highly credentialed liberal criminologists with no agenda to advance have to say on the subject of gun violence.

Why do you make asinine suppositions of what I may or may not do? does ted nugent or lapierre-head represent you?
As far as courage, you should direct your complaint towards the cowardly non reply by the OP author, DonP, who apparently is whimpering in a corner somewhere after being pressed to cite evidence of his OP smear of gun control advocates:

DonP: But the inevitable handful of gun control fans insist on declaring all of them "weapons" and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon". .. IMNSHO, It's an excellent example of how far down the rabbit hole some of them have gone. They are incapable of posting on anything they think can be twisted to their worldview without demanding others rally to their agenda.

Now perhaps pable marmol can explain & post evidence of donP's smear. Or rather join the other cowards who will not explain why they recommend donP's OP.
DonP ese tipo es el hazmerreír de todos. Imo.

Spare us your hypocritical ire:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=175182

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=175190

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=175361

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=175383

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=175378

icon: You, sir, defend those who attack Democrats seeking reelection. Your own words demonstrate this
Spare us your hypocritical ire:

Speaking of hypocritical ire, ICON IS ONE OF THOSE WHO ATTACKS DEMOCRATS SEEKING REELECTION:

icon: Oct 17, 2012 Well then, we'll just have to make sure that people with real, high-level electoral experience...like Harry Reid and Bill Clinton persuade him not to listen to people like the pandering warmonger Dianne Feinstein or the Republican-led Brady Campaign. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=80105

Dianne Feinstein Election Results: California Senator Wins Reelection Against Elizabeth Emken Posted: 11/06/2012

Go soak your head, icon.

Nor did I defend those seeking to defund her camapaign.

Odious as she is, DiFi is still better than a Republican

icon: No hypocrisy- there is no call to defund Feinstein's reelection in there .. Nor did I defend those seeking to defund her camapaign.

Your 'current' hypocrisy is shifting the goalposts 90 degrees & altering your original remarks to wiggle out of your footstick.
The rebuttal I made was to you saying:

icon: You, sir, defend those who attack Democrats seeking reelection. Your own words demonstrate this
Spare us your hypocritical ire:

Speaking of hypocritical ire, ICON IS ONE OF THOSE WHO ATTACKS DEMOCRATS SEEKING REELECTION:

icon: Oct 17, 2012 Well then, we'll just have to make sure that people with real, high-level electoral experience...like Harry Reid and Bill Clinton persuade him not to listen to people like the pandering warmonger Dianne Feinstein or the Republican-led Brady Campaign. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=80105

Dianne Feinstein Election Results: California Senator Wins Reelection Against Elizabeth Emken Posted: 11/06/2012

PS: do you recommend donP's thread OP, icon? why or why not?

icon: 46. Yeah, I did- because I knew Emken had no chance. What's your excuse for Begich?

I did not attack begich prior to his election, I remember actually hoping he'd win; I believe I was unaware of the Bloomberg/Watts controversy then. You once again work from a false premise.
So under certain conditions you concede it's ok to attack a democrat in election year, due their gun control stance.

icon: After a close race, he defeated Begich in the general election by 47.96% to 45.83%, a margin of 6,014 votes out of 282,400 cast. The people you steadfastly defend helped torpedo him

Not according to begich himself, since he considered Bloomberg or 'Moms' MDA endorsement a kiss of death:

6/2013: In an interview, Mr. Begich, who faces re-election next year, said he was unbowed by the threat of a Bloomberg-led attack. Indeed, he seemed to almost relish the thought of one. “In Alaska, having a New York mayor tell us what to do? The guy who wants to ban Big Gulps?” Mr. Begich asked incredulously. “If anything, it might help me,” http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/nyregion/bloomberg-urges-no-gifts-to-democrats-who-blocked-gun-bill.html

I have posted this numerous times, so stop posting your unsupported twaddle.

icon: Nor did I defend those seeking to defund her camapaign.

.. I didn't either (not that they were trying to 'defund') until 2015, so you foot stick again (DGS/MDA withheld support, which is their prerogative, and they did not support the republican opponents).
.. your false premise above rests on EGS/MDA being obliged to fund a candidate's campaign. MDA & EGS were not obliged to fund begich or pryor's campaigns, or anyones; if anything they were giving donations, and it is their prerogative to donate to whom they want.

icon: You, sir, defend those who attack Democrats seeking reelection. Your own words demonstrate this

There are perhaps 8 or 9 million gun owners in California, perhaps 3 or 4 million of them democrat. Amongst those 4 million dems, there are likely hundreds of thousands of them who attacked Diane Feinstein during her 2012 election campaign. Some of them did not support Feinstein with donations. Some criticized others for donating to Feinstein's campaign. Some didn't even vote for her, either abstained or voted republican. Are you saying all those democrat gun owners in California who acted this way were despicable or something?
You argue the ABSURD. You will stand there & type that you yourself have never defended someone who previously attacked a democrat seeking reelection? you hoist on your own petard, I would think most people would have, either intentionally or inadvertently.

eleanors: You should apologize for calling a DU member "a coward."

According to sarisaka's reasoning, I don't have to do that until you post an explanation to support donP's false accusation.
At least you haven't recommended donP's garbage tho.

sarisaka ultimatum: I owe you nothing until you reply to the statement I have repeatedly offered to you- I haven't seen you, or any other strict gun control proponent say "Yes, I'd rather have a pro-gun Democrat in Congress rather than give up the seat to a Republican.

eleanors: You should apologize for calling a DU member "a coward

Mild correction - members, not just member. Until they also provide justification for recommending his depraved post trashing gun control advocates, I include some others.

members who have recommended donP's thread:
beevul sarisataka DashOneBravo oneshooter virginia mountainman appal_jack discntnt_irny_srcsm

...on the state of some DU pro-control advocates that there are cases where a Republican is a better option than a pro-RKBA Democrat.

Present company included...

Recently James taught us that AR 15 rifles are not in common use. How you can ignore a sage who lovingly shares his wisdom with you is beyond me.

Was just wondering if donP will ever get around to acknowledging & apologizing for his malicious invidious Poststart smearing gun control advocates as labeling knife owners 'potential killers' for carrying a 'deadly weapon':

donP OP: It's supposed to be about who carries a pocket knife, what they use it for, what kind it is... It's interesting to see the differing opinions and knives and the vast majority of posts are on topic, about what kind of knife they carry. But the inevitable handful of gun control fans insist on declaring all of them "weapons" and anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon".

Ok I bit. I scrolled down the entire thread of ~228 posts (sept 18 {2015}); donP contends that gun control fans used the word 'killer', yet, guess what donP? the only two posts where the word 'killer' appears in the ENTIRE THREAD, is from two gun enthusiasts, hack & oneshooter:

hack89 193 I keep forgetting that to you weapons are magic talismans capable of turning the mildest man into a serial killer.
oneshooter 194. I am just pushing the anti self defense peoples meme. If you carry a weapon, you are a killer in waiting.

Go ahead, donP, post something where a 'gun control fan' said "anyone that carries one is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon"."

donP: the inevitable handful of gun control fans insist ... and anyone that carries one {knife} is just a "potential killer" for carrying a "deadly weapon".

Actually donP, I didn't see any 'gun control fan' use the term 'deadly weapon'. Why don't you copy & paste where a gun control fan wrote 'deadly weapon', since all I come up with using 'deadly weapon' is by oneshooter & some replies by innocuous knife guys:

oneshooter 165. It is truly amazing how many democrats carry a deadly weapon. n/t
oneshooter 3. A pocket knife IS a weapon, even if it is not used as such.. when all LE consider it as a weapon.
oneshooter .... 173. So you admit that you carry a deadly weapon to use on others?

In fact donP, the only one who comes close to using the words as you attribute to 'gun control fans', is oneshooter:

oneshooter 191. If they routinely carry dangerous weapons concealed on their person, they have the capability of injuring, even killing others.

And observe what ms Poppet had to say: Lizzie Poppet 211. I don't carry my knife to use on others. That's what the 9mm is for.