2nd amendment as written.

Then dont let children join the militia, problem solved.

and obviously only Black people wont be owning guns

I make an absurd statement to point out the absurdity of people purposely misreading the 2nd to get what they want

why cant I do that too?

And I know children cant be part of the militia, thus my point.

look, the NRA i.e. gun manufacturers got to the SC and you got what you wanted and many many many will die because of all these guns.

I wont sit back and pretend that the misreading of the 2nd is OK

it isnt

Of the situation, would you agree removing funding from Project ChildSafe is unwise?

The logical outcome is that some children will die from firearms that would have been secured with the locks.

for abortions.

Government subsidized health program; I would accept that.

hyde

There is logic to your proposal. I would support it.

Of course, you knew that, but your sarcasm is duly noted.

I would similarly note that even if the Second Amendment disappeared today, not much would change. The vast majority of states have their own Second Amendment analogs, often far broader than the Constitution, and the Second Amendment only establishes the maximum level of restrictions on arms. Many firearm restrictions are entirely constitutional, yet are not law because they lack the requisite electoral support.

Now, other than the sarcasm and pipe dream about gun bans, do you have an actual opinion about the efficacy of NSSF's Project ChildSafe program or the dispute cited in the OP?

I recommend doing further reading. I try to have as much information as possible when I take a position on issues, and after researching I came to understand that the Second Amendment is designed to protect an individual right to own firearms. There's a lot of literature on the topic, and two of the better articles I've read are The Embarrassing Second Amendment by Levinson and The Commonplace Second Amendment by Volokh. Either is freely available via Google and both are easy to read and pretty informative. Volokh in particular puts the lie to your contention that the Second Amendment only applies to those who serve in a militia (which has all sorts of other problems).

Perhaps they should apply for a grant as well--or even better, consult/collaborate with NSSF.

It certainly seems ... odd ... for a purported 'safety' organization to try and undermine and politicize an effective and non-political program...

how many gun owners would actually take the locks from them, no less offer them even the hint of tacit support?

For an actual gun safety program to work, there needs to be trust. If a group's idea of gun safety is effective gun bans or strict gun control, that trust will never exist.

Said something like that but it seems to be all lies as the numbers never seem to change or actually get lower on numbers they say they have distributed.

when I go to it today, seems to not be very accurate

Incredible! Unbelievable!

What a joke

down to 1742 today.

TOTAL GUN LOCKS: 16,463

... of ideological "purity" trumping actual safety.

Even if that means walking away from efforts to safeguard kids.

between the effort to defund Project ChildSafe and the efforts of conservative groups to prevent schools from giving out birth control.

In both cases the groups value their own interests above child safety.

Supported project child safe?

such lies. Looks like none of Bloomberg's "gun safety" organizations.

http://www.projectchildsafe.org/supporter-orgs

sarisaka: Ultimate irony- "gun safety" groups are petitioning against a proven gun safety program. 37 million lock have been freely distributed over sixteen years, mostly through law enforcement.

NSSF: They {various gun control groups} also made false claims about the quality of the program’s cable-style gun locks.

NSSF’s Project ChildSafe program has been plagued with problems from the start. At one point, hundreds of thousands of the locks they distributed to law enforcement had to be recalled because they were so flimsy.
There has been no bigger opponent of sensible gun reform than {NSSF}National Shooting Sports Foundation. They have relentlessly lobbied against every single piece of legislation that would prevent children from obtaining unauthorized access to firearms, including Child Access Prevention laws and criminal penalties for adults whose weapons are obtained by minors. http://www.truebluepolitics.com/tag/gun-locks/

sep 2013: Since 1999, the NSSF has coordinated a safety initiative to distribute gun locks to law enforcement agencies, which in turn pass them on to gun owners, free of charge.. the implementation has been plagued by problems. Hundreds of thousands of the flimsy, fragile locks were recalled. Then, when a $50 million DoJ grant dried up and NSSF was obliged to finance the lock giveaway on its own, the program was scaled back significantly. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/09/the-gun-lobbying-group-you-dont-hear-about/279616/
Last year, NSSF lobbied in support of the Sportsman’s Act of 2012, which included a number of provisions regarding conservation of public lands, access and fees for hunters, and a clause that would have exempted ammunition from regulation by the Environmental Protection Agency. Ecologists objected, saying the lead bullets and chemicals in gunpowder are dangerous to certain habitats..the bill ultimately failed.

sarisaka: While CSGV and Newtown Action Alliance want the money to go to a program run by a 'better' group, they offer no suggestions. That is because there is no such program among the "gun safety" organizations.

Gun locks are a dime a dozen in places; I got 3 free ones from the VA hospital I go to, & I don't even own a gun.

sarisaka: It is especially ironic that the Newtown Action Alliance is against the program as had the rifle used at Sandy Hook been secured with a cable lock, the shooter would have been at least slowed, by having to locate the key, if not stopped entirely.

Utterly specious lame reasoning. As if adam lanza would'nt've been able to access his mother's ar15 bushmaster, had it been locked (dunno if it was or wasn't). I bet he knew where the key was. His mother was a 'law abiding gun owner' as well as a gunnut: Nancy Lanza as a "gun enthusiast who owned at least a dozen firearms". She often took her two sons to a local shooting range and had them learn to shoot. Peter Lanza said he does not believe Nancy Lanza feared her son Adam. She did not confide any fear of Adam to her sister or to her best friend; she slept with her bedroom door unlocked and she kept guns in the house where she lived with Adam.[

Specifically, NSSF:
•Opposes all legislation that would require parents to safely store firearms in the home in the manner described in their Project ChildSafe Safety Kit brochure.
•Opposes Child Access Prevention laws to hold adults criminally responsible when children gain unauthorized access to their firearms.
•Supports unprecedented legal immunity for the gun industry, which prevents parents (and others) from bringing lawsuits against the industry when they market and/or distribute their products in a negligent manner.
•Supports lowering the age at which Americans can purchase firearms and carry them in public.

sarisak: Are you referring to this .. When the NSSF did the responsible thing and issued a recall for the defective locks?

No, I'm referring to this:
1) Newtown Action Alliance, CT Against Gun Violence, and CSGV wrote: Furthermore, Project ChildSafe has been beset with problems from the start. After hundreds of thousands of its gun locks were recalled for being too fragile and flimsy, NSSF lost federal funding for the program in 2009. Obliged to fund Project ChildSafe on its own, NSSF scaled the program back significantly

What NSSF wrote, referring to gun control groups above:
2) They also made false claims about the quality of the program’s cable-style gun locks. The gun locks included in Project ChildSafe firearm safety kits exceed standards set by American Soc for Testing and Materials (ASTM) and Calif Dept Justice.

How did CSGV & the two other gun control groups make false claims about flimsy & fragile gun locks - which could lead to malfunctioning - when the claims are corroborated by reputable websites and you yourself by your link?
Do you dispute that hundreds of thousands of NSSF gun locks were flimsy & fragile? or just Chinese junk?

sarisak posted: The VA began giving out the locks in 2008, modeling a national gun safety program called Project ChildSafe. A firearms trade group partners with local police departments and VA medical campuses to hand them out.

Was there a point you had? it seems the VA gunlock giveaway was 'modeled' after the program, but not an integral part of it. Hatch Act & all that (perhaps). As I said, gunlocks are a dime a dozen, & I suspect most 'public demand' (if even so) is by people wanting something for free. Don't most all guns come with gun locks anyway these days?