to insist some other mother's son kick in doors and teach those gosh-darned gunnerz who's boss.

Oh, wait.......................

When we point out how any Dem in a purple state is going to have major problems if they take the whole "Anti Gun and Gun Owners" path, funded by Bloomberg.

Then when they lose, it's never because they misread their constituency or they took the wrong position on gun rights, it's somehow our fault because we support the 2nd amendment?

cannot look at reality objectively and draw sound conclusions from obvious facts are the people to be making stringent law proposals.

"It shall be thus and we shall brook no deviation, regardless of the consequences!" doesn't instill a lot of confidence in their ability to govern.

They either actually believe that, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that everyone thinks exactly the way they do.

Or they just don't care what all those "ignorant people" believe, they know what's best for everyone.

Then, when what they desire/demanded doesn't come to pass, it must be somebody's fault so they go looking for a scapegoat to cover their lack of insight and basic awareness.

Or maybe it's a toxic blend of both attitudes?

And it has already bore fruit in most states, one look at the makeup in state legislators, and the US Congress shows it...

The sad truth is, except for a coastal cities, and a few small urban enclaves in the heartland, like Chicago, Democrat is now a very "dirty" word.

The race to "purify" the party on issues like gun control, has done nothing but make our party the weakest nationally than it has been for almost 100 years..

Arrogance and narcissism in action.

Real Democrats don't cower in the face of the NRA.

recall elections that paved the way for the state legislature flipping red?

If you're so confident in your course why are such gun laws debated behind closed -- if at all -- and then voted on in the dead of night like the NY SAFE Act?

The NRA is not invulnerable.

But hey, you've got you're 1 gleaming victory.

What do you do for an encore? Post internet rumors that Democrats kick puppies?

...which would not have been in play until 2016 were it not for the gun control issue

Somewhere, the shade of Pyrrhus of Epirus is having a chuckle...

It shouldn't even have been in play in 2016. All of the losses came from Democratic strongholds.

Could you kindly indicate when you were elected to such a exalted position?

In any event, regardless of the reasons, firearms are a big electoral loser for Democrats in the modern era. Clinton himself blames his loss of Congress (and the election loss of the Speaker of the House!) on the ultimately totally ineffective Assault Weapons ban, Al Gore's loss in his home state of Tennessee was widely attributed due to his stance on guns, and recent federal and state elections have been a windfall for gun rights activists.

A Google search concerning elections and guns reveals nothing but post after post about the joy of gun rights proponents and excuses by gun rights supports for their failures.

The NRA is an organization of only 5 million members and relatively modest financial means, despite the "fear mongering" by people like yourself. That's the reason why Bloomberg and his allies outspent the opposition in the CO recall election by about 6 to 1, and yet still lost. Besides their pet billionaire, gun control supporters have numerous financiers, celebrities and political muscle at their disposal. However, what they cannot match is the 75-90 million non-NRA gun owners, as well as their supporters, who will dutifully and angrily vote to support gun rights.

Congratulations, thanks in large part at efforts at gun control, Congress, statehouse and governorships now contain a higher percentage of your "real" Democrats, but Republicans control the Senate and maintain a larger majority in the House and control of more state governments than in generations past.

Democratic losses without blaming the gun issue. Would you care to cite the numerous other editorials with differing opinions.

How about we just look at Clinton's own thoughts and comments:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/bill-clinton-warns-democrats-against-overreaching-on-gun-debate/

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/bill-clinton-to-democrats-dont-trivialize-gun-culture-086443

I find it both hilarious and disturbing that the gun control movement blames an organization that represents a mere 5-6% of gun owners for all their myriad failures. Despite many dozens of media celebrities, loyal politicians and deep pockets, gun control generally still loses at the ballot box, particularly in purple states, and the only explanation offered by the gun control crowd is the NRA? The NRA is not omnipotent, and attempts to make them some boogeyman are ridiculous.

Simply, accusing someone of effectively using the dreaded NRA Talking Points™ is not a substantive refutation of anything, and will certainly not magically reverse so many recent Democratic losses. However, it does explain why gun control is losing so badly nationwide.

I'd give more weight to the opinions of Dick Gephardt and Bill Clinton, even if I did not
agree with them, than some obscure op-ed writer for the NY Times. 'Agrees with what
I believe to be true' is neither an indicator of veracity or wisdom. Clinton and Gephardt have no
small amount of experience with electoral politics. How many successful campaigns has
Dorothy Samuels either won or run?


Also, you need to rid yourself of the delusions that a) there is one (and only one) 'Democratic position'
on gun control and b) you somehow represent that position at DU.

If (as seems likely) you are bound and determined to make the Democratic Party hostile
to the self-perceived interests of gun owners, then how on Earth can you be surprised when
gun owners realize this and vote accordingly, thus helping to make purple states red?

Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements—like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole—so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

another threat from the NRA.
I never see why gunners care about this. Hillary will help keep gun manufactures busy because "Hillary is going to take our guns away!"
There is nothing new under the sun

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...would be the word "style" when discussing gun laws and proposed additional laws.