Gun Control & RKBA

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts) Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:45 PM Sep 2015

Artist fatally shot while working on anti-violence mural in Oakland

A mural artist was fatally shot Tuesday while working on a community art piece under a freeway overpass in Oakland, police said.

Police have not identified the artist, but friends say his name is Antonio Ramos, a painter who worked on a mural project led by the Attitudinal Healing Connection.

Ramos and a group of artists with the project were working on a mural conceptualized by middle-school students in West Oakland who re-imagined themselves as superheroes to help solve issues in their communities.

Oakland police said a gunman opened fire on Ramos about 10:30 a.m. Tuesday in the 3500 block of West Street under the Interstate 580 overpass. He was taken to a hospital and pronounced dead. The gunman walked away before police arrived at the scene.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-artist-fatally-shot-oakland-20150930-story.html

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Artist fatally shot while working on anti-violence mural in Oakland (Original Post) SecularMotion Sep 2015 OP

Any comment SecMO? GGJohn Sep 2015 #1

If only that artist had been armed, he could have defended himself. Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #2

Gang regime in Oakland: Killer would have "walked away" even with a knife. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #7

The artist was unarmed. Are you satisfied with the outcome? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #8

When the problem is too many guns, the solution is not more guns. n/t Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #9

When ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #10

I guess I'm just lucky. In 70 years nobody has ever wanted to shoot me. Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #12

Here's hoping you never need one. Straw Man Oct 2015 #17

Now that I think about it Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #18

I repeat: Straw Man Oct 2015 #19

Congratulations, on your good fortune. sarisataka Oct 2015 #20

So disarm the ATF. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #11

The way things are going it would be a good idea to disarm the police too. Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #13

Then who is going to be your keeper? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #14

My "keeper!" Really? Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #15

Yes, keeper. You deny others have a right to self defense. Presumably, you aren't a hypocrite and Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #16

When did "gang violence" .... Straw Man Oct 2015 #3

When it was noticed that lurid anecdotes are good for moral panic-mongering... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2015 #4

I think it's a catch-all PC expression. But it's gangs: Shooter "walked away." Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #6

Another gun abuse story... ileus Oct 2015 #5

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)

1. Any comment SecMO?

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 09:49 PM

Sep 2015

Oh, wait.................................

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)

2. If only that artist had been armed, he could have defended himself.

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:23 AM

Oct 2015

A good old guns blazing shoot out does a lot more to discourage the bad guys than a mural does anyway.

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

7. Gang regime in Oakland: Killer would have "walked away" even with a knife.

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 10:20 AM

Oct 2015

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

8. The artist was unarmed. Are you satisfied with the outcome?

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 12:07 PM

Oct 2015

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)

9. When the problem is too many guns, the solution is not more guns. n/t

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:09 PM

Oct 2015

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)

10. When ...

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 02:20 PM

Oct 2015

When the problem is too many guns, the solution is not more guns. n/t

... someone wants to shoot me and I don't have a gun, the problem is not enough guns.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)

12. I guess I'm just lucky. In 70 years nobody has ever wanted to shoot me.

Reply to Straw Man (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:41 PM

Oct 2015

I'll go right on taking my chances.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)

17. Here's hoping you never need one.

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 08:11 PM

Oct 2015

I respect your choice. I choose differently, but I wouldn't presume to tell you how to live your life.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)

18. Now that I think about it

Reply to Straw Man (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 01:34 AM

Oct 2015

Not one member of my extended family, not one friend or acquaintance, not one co-worker, not one fellow Air Force enlisted man, not one person of any kind in my immediate or extended circle has, at any time, in any place, EVER been threatened with a gun. Even a close friend and co-worker who keeps a gun safe full of rifles and pistols has never, in his 60+ years so far, ever needed a gun to defend himself.

As far as I'm concerned the odds of my needing a gun are about the same as my odds of wining the lottery, or being greeted by Martians in a flying saucer.

My impression of people who believe they need a gun to protect themselves is that they are delusional. And my lifelong experience and the lifelong experience of everyone I know and have ever known bears out the conclusion.

Oh, I did have a cap gun when I was six, but I outgrew playing cops and robbers.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)

19. I repeat:

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:45 AM

Oct 2015

I respect your choice. I choose differently, but I wouldn't presume to tell you how to live your life.

sarisataka

(20,863 posts)

20. Congratulations, on your good fortune.

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:26 AM

Oct 2015

I have never needed one in the civilian world. I was USMC, not AF so an M-16 was a necessity several times.

Yet some people have different life experiences-

Woman who shot intruder waited hour for police

DAYTON, Ohio (WDTN) – Montgomery County dispatchers got three phone calls Wednesday morning, all from the scene.

The first was a woman calling around 3:00 a.m. worried about a man trying to break in.

Caller: Someone is trying to break into my house
Dispatcher: Can you see someone or hear someone, what’s going on?
Caller: Someone is banging on the door.

The dispatcher follows protocol and asks the caller questions for several minutes.
Then appears to end the call saying…

Dispatcher: Keep an eye out for the officer and call us back if you hear anything else.

http://wdtn.com/2015/09/10/woman-who-shot-intruder-waited-hour-for-police/

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

11. So disarm the ATF.

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 04:15 PM

Oct 2015

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)

13. The way things are going it would be a good idea to disarm the police too.

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 06:43 PM

Oct 2015

They seem to really get off on shooting unarmed people. Especially dark-skinned people.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

14. Then who is going to be your keeper?

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:00 PM

Oct 2015

You can't have a government if it isn't capable of exerting force and without a government gun control is impotent.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)

15. My "keeper!" Really?

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:23 PM

Oct 2015

I have nothing say to that.

I guess I should stay in the sane part of DU.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)

16. Yes, keeper. You deny others have a right to self defense. Presumably, you aren't a hypocrite and

Reply to Binkie The Clown (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 1, 2015, 07:35 PM

Oct 2015

as such do not possess the means to protect yourself. Couple that with the fact you would disarm the police I'm curious to know who you imagine will protect people from predators.