The fears of the founders regarding monarchies are well known. All monarchies disarm the public as a way to rule without fear of revolution. The second amendment was written to avoid such an occurrence.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm

It was the phrase," A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..." that causes the confusion you see.

The rights recognized occur to individuals, and not some other entity, as per all the rights recognized in the Constitution. No communities, no agencies, no militia.

to disagree.I never said YOU were confused at all. You and I are speaking at cross purposes and ending this seems the best course of action.

Might as well put that militia to good use as they merely spread fear, destruction and death to their fellow Americans right now.

Make those gundamentalists earn their ownership. The 2A emphasizes the militia angle so I say we make it a linch pin for gun ownership.

No wonder gun control, even with billionaires backing them, hasn't accomplished anything in over 20 years with ideas like this.

The gundamentalists have terrorized this country long enough. It's time for sane Americans to reclaim their right to live without the fear of gun violence.

Probability analysis: it's not for everyone.

The math cuts both ways.

50% reduction in 20 years with concealed carry now in all 50 states? Still not good enough?

What do you propose to make it even better ... that will both pass constitutional legal scrutiny and get past a GOP House and Senate?

Regale and impress us with tales of what are you personally doing to support gun control in the real world?

Petitions to repeal concealed carry in your state? Petitions to repeal the 2nd amendment? Going to town halls to speak out about local gun ranges? Swatting concealed carriers? Writing several checks to Brady or Bloomberg's multiple groups? Putting a gun control bumper sticker on someone else car?

Or just pretty much being snarky online?

donP: Let's see, gun crime and murders are about half what they were in 1994 .... 50% reduction in 20 years with concealed carry now in all 50 states? Still not good enough?

You left out one important factoid, gun ownership rates declining since 1994 by about 35%, concomittantly with the decline in violent crime rates. Personal gun ownership rates declined from about 35% in 1994 to ~25% now (GSS and Pew, 2 reputable polls).
Gee, imagine that, not noting that the violent crime rate decrease is correlated with a gun ownership rate decrease, leaving readers to think that GUNS somehow contributed to the violent crime rate decrease.

donP: What do you propose to make it even better ... that will both pass constitutional legal scrutiny and get past a GOP House and Senate?

You are chest puffing about the GOP senate & house of unrepresentatives? shouldn't you be posting on republican underground?

donP: Petitions to repeal concealed carry in your state? Petitions to repeal the 2nd amendment? Going to town halls to speak out about local gun ranges? Swatting concealed carriers? Writing several checks to Brady or Bloomberg's multiple groups? Putting a gun control bumper sticker on someone else car?

Supporting gun control efforts in general. Your above suggestions are a combination of unrealistic provocations on your part, snarky remarks, or silly nonsense.
Better than you creating another thread based on your own intense hatred of gun control, premised by a blatant lie, eh? which you never did rebut, since you couldn't.

If one's sole reason for having a firearm (that is, one doesn't really care for shooting as a hobby, doesn't hunt, etc.) is as an anti-crime measure, then I agree: that's not a rationale that's supported by probability for anyone not in an extraordinary circumstance.

In my case, I'm a competition rifle shooter (long range target stuff) and lifelong recreational shooter, so I have the gun security infrastructure in place: gun safe, etc. Adding a couple of self-defense handguns isn't much of an addition...and as a single female who lives alone, my probability of being a victim of crime is a fair bit higher than average. Even then, I'd probably not elect to have a firearm if I weren't already a shooter.

poppet: In my case, I'm a competition rifle shooter (long range target stuff) and lifelong recreational shooter,...

Have you checked your LLC - lead level concentration lately?

Individuals who use firearms for work or recreation may be at risk for toxic lead exposure, say Yale clinical investigators. Utilizing Connecticut Dept of Public Health data, they report a rise in elevated blood-lead levels associated with the use and maintenance of firearms in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
The authors— became concerned when they started to see an increasing number of patients with high lead levels related to firearm use.
The other cases evaluated by the researchers involved a firearms instructor, salesman, shop owner, and two U.S. veterans. All had elevated levels of lead not attributed to any other source of lead. “Every one of them practiced target shooting, or were around others who shot guns, most commonly in indoor firing ranges”

The case studies mirror data collected by the state’s Dept of Public Health as part of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s state-based Adult Blood Lead Epidemiology and Surveillance (ABLES) program.
Young children are particularly vulnerable to contact with even low levels of lead, which is associated with increased risk for neurologic, cardiovascular, renal, and reproductive health problems http://news.yale.edu/2015/10/19/research-news-rise-lead-exposure-linked-firearms

I've actually had blood work done recently, but I have no idea if there was an LLC...I'll have to ask my doctor. Thanks for the heads-up!

I shoot only jacketed rounds, myself, but I do use an indoor range frequently for practicing with my self-defense handguns. There are definitely shooters using non-jacketed lead bullets, and despite the good ventilation, there may well be a high lead particulate count in there. My competition practice is outdoors (1000-yard indoor ranges being a bit thin on the ground!), and no one uses unjacketed bullets for that sort of thing, so I suspect the lead levels from exposure to that sort of shooting are not a concern. The indoor range is quite possibly another story, so again, thanks.

I suspect a lot of the target shooters that are seeing elevated lead levels are shooting various forms of rimfire competition. The .22lr or .22 short ammunition used for that almost always has all-lead bullets.

The KKK called. They want their 'earn' the right to vote idea back.

Second Amendment was authored?

They actually think that an amendment that restricts only governmental exercise of power, and the language it contains, actually 'authorize' something, and/or places conditions on the rights of individuals.


Fortunately 75+ percent of Americans don't buy into that lie.

comes out of Americas first constitution, The Articles of Confederation where in each of the colonies were considered sovereign as in they were nation states. There was no federal authority and it was recognized that each sovereign state would need its own well regulated militia to defend its borders, enforce its laws and customs etc.

Articles Of Confederation: 1781 - 1789

"..but every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of filed pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage"

Constitution: Ratified 1788/89
"The Congress shall have Power...
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;"


What would become the 2nd amendment was authored June-Sept 1789, ratified in 1791.
So it seems the Constitution lists the federal regulations concerning the Militia at that time; at least until the Militia Acts of 1792, when exactly how the Militias would be "well-regulated", i.e. what "organizing, arming, and disciplining" the Militias would actually entail.