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virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 08:40 PM Nov 2015

Toledo man with concealed carry permit shoots armed robbery suspect

Here lately a lot of things that "never ever happen" seem to keep happening...

http://www.13abc.com/home/headlines/Toledo-man-with-concealed-carry-permit-shoots-armed-robbery-suspect-334869301.html

Tye Willis supports his neighbor’s use of force. Willis says he has been jumped and robbed himself. He says he is in the process of getting his own CCW permit.

"The guy just came out of the blue thinking he can get away with robbing a guy not knowing he is well-protected and licensed to have a gun with him,” says Willis. “So I think he did the right thing."


Never happens, huh?!
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Toledo man with concealed carry permit shoots armed robbery suspect (Original Post) virginia mountainman Nov 2015 OP
shhh, never does Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #1
Why are these DGU reports so sketchy? SecularMotion Nov 2015 #2
Ohio is the only state where one has to prove self defense gejohnston Nov 2015 #3
I think you replied to the wrong post. SecularMotion Nov 2015 #4
no, I replied to the correct post gejohnston Nov 2015 #5
I didn't ask why it was under investigation. SecularMotion Nov 2015 #6
because news reports never do gejohnston Nov 2015 #7
if you want to see sketchy, gejohnston Nov 2015 #8

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
3. Ohio is the only state where one has to prove self defense
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 09:42 PM
Nov 2015

as an affirmative defense to a crime. Every other state and territory, the State would have to disprove self defense BARD. Ohio is also one of the few duty to retreat states.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

the states not in either list are SYG by common law such as California, Washington, Oregon, Washington etc. that predate Florida being the first to pass SYG as a statute. George simply put into statute what was already common law.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
5. no, I replied to the correct post
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 09:55 PM
Nov 2015

you asked why the report seemed sketchy and why it was still under investigation. I answered the second part of the question. The answer the first part is either confirmation bias or responsible journalism since the investigation just started. In this case, I suspect both.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
6. I didn't ask why it was under investigation.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 10:05 PM
Nov 2015

My question was why are DGU reports so scant on details. Granted that this one at least provided more info than usual.

These reports normally unravel when further details come out. The fact that there were 2 prior break-ins at the residence raises some flags.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
7. because news reports never do
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 10:13 PM
Nov 2015

and no, they don't unravel. The cops don't give details of anything under investigation because facts are not known and it impedes the investigation.
When ideologues start speculating and creating narratives, those always unravel when the facts come out.

Here, the media was at least responsible enough to only report what they are given.
How is that a red flag? Is it a high crime area? If so, it may not be unusual in that area. Are there rumors that the occupant has a big old coin collection that is worth stealing? That might come out in the investigation, and really isn't relevant. The only thing legally relevant is what happened in that few seconds.

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