and won't discourage well heeled suburban paranoiacs or people buying hot guns on the black market.

Liability insurance is another matter. Buying a black market gun will get you out of it. Being caught with an uninsured gun will carry penalties.

so why not

high on them.....but I would rather we put a high tax rate on bullets ...no pesky 2nd amendment protecting your rights to bullets to get in the way .

I can make them by the thousands here at home, and make all kinds of money selling them!! want me to teach you how to so you can profit as well?

Revenuers will be visiting

SCOTUS has already ruled that ammo is part and parcel of the 2A.
Besides, it's pretty easy to reload your own ammo if you have the equipment.

Tax fraud...
Revenuers will be visiting

Where did you ever get the idea that reloading ammo is illegal?

It will be how we recover damages for all the death and destruction wrought by a "hobby" .....its for public safety. The cigarette industry had to pony some up.....gungeoneers would just have to suck it up too...pay a penalty in higher taxes on bullets...to the common good...its only fair to the rest of us.

Tens of thousands a year....

a fantasy, meanwhile, I'll continue to reload and shoot my own ammo as I exercise my 2A right.

Days of reckoning always do...

by how hard you defend your precious! You all are scared Shitless over the upcoming new regulations that WILL happen sooner or later. Its just a matter of time.....America always evolves.

Whatever you say.

I see you have a GAY rights flag in your sig...

Has America evolved on THAT issue or not? America always evolves....the rest of the world do not have these problems....America always evolves.

Whatever you say.

because you have nothing.

Whatever you say.

If you are not part of the solution....you are part of the problem...

Whatever you say.

Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, in the past 7 years...

Who is going to pass it?

When people are caught up in a religious fervor like that they don't listen to reason or logic.

Their only answer will be; "something magically happens" or "just one more SCOTUS judge". They actually still believe that everyone thinks exactly the way they do.

We've been hearing this same old, sad song for decades now and the result is always the same.

The gun control side sits on the couch waiting for someone to do the heavy lifting and pay the bills for them and the only thing that happens is they rush to their keyboard every time some back bencher proposes a new control bill followed by a request for donations, which they ignore.

Then another state loosens its gun laws, violent crime continues to fall, they rush to the keyboards again to bemoan the primitives that allowed this.

That's pretty much the extent of their "activism"

I reload ammo using lead weights from a few car dealerships. Is the IRS going to ask the dealerahip who they give their scrap wheel weights too then track me down?

is unconstitutional. You also fail to understand the difference between the enumerated individual right to keep and bear arms and smoking, which has no inherent legal protections.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/460/575.html

http://volokh.com/2010/11/04/d-c-s-highest-court-holds-ammunition-ban-violates-second-amendment/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

Regardless of the constitutional impediments, such a tax has absolutely no chance of passing either house of Congress. Heck, they cannot even pass a universal background check bill despite purported claims of over 90% support.

Interestingly, it's anticipated that a very small "violence tax" instituted in Seattle, similar in nature but far less onerous than an actual bullet tax, will likely soon fall due to constitutional and state preemption concerns. Prepare for even more pro-gun right legal precedent in the near future.

http://www.examiner.com/article/summary-judgment-hearing-on-seattle-gun-tax-lawsuit-dec-18

The attempted backdoor ban on the 5.56 "green tip" ammo, just one type of one popular cartridge size, spectacularly failed due to a huge public outcry and legal concerns, and arguably resulted in the resignation of the ATF chief. That's the exact opposite of "it's coming..."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/0321/Gun-control-advocates-lose-another-round-with-departure-of-ATF-chief-video

Similarly, an editorial lamenting the failure of gun control and desiring a greater focus on bullets offers absolutely nothing about the constitutional or electoral problems with such proposals other than insight into the fevered imaginations of firearm prohibitionists.

However, feel free to keep you head in the sand about punitive gun and related tax proposals. Just because you want something or believe it justified, does not make it constitutional or politically palatable to the vast majority of citizens.

While you're anxiously wait for these magic laws and your mythical gun control utopia, the rest of us will continue to watch gun rights expand throughout most of the country both legislatively and through the courts.

I do not drink but the roads are dangerous with those that do and they should pay for the death and damage the alcohol does.

Of course we all know the person that drinks is not responsible for their actions, it is the inanimate object, in this case alcohol.

We all noticed you overlooked that part about SCOTUS already determining that ammunition is also covered by the 2nd Amendment.

In fact several appellate courts have also struck down high taxes on guns and ammunition as unconstitutional.

But feel free to get out your checkbook and get a case going with a top rate legal team. Figure about $500 an hour for court time.

Oh, if you lose you will also be contributing in 7 figures to the NRA's legal fees, just like Chicago, San Francisco, DC and a lot of others that thought they were clever too.

is a big push to get that section of the Federal law changed.

If you banned bullets, the courts would throw that out practucally overnight, and some city would be writing another check for the NRAs legal defense.

Ammunition is a (consumable) component of a firearm. Already protected under the Second Amendment...

Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner, 460 U.S. 575 (1983)

To summarize, a tax on printer's ink was an unconstitutional limit on the First Amendment. I believe you can see the parallel with bullets and the Second.

Americans every year either....

Are inert until fired from a gin or used to Write an article persuading the US population that war with Iraq is necessary.

Just in our country....aint no wars here huh?

A bullet ban would be successful, and are not just being obtuse, go right ahead.

I'll stick with practical solutions that won't be overturned in less than a tenth the time it took to pass the law.

I said a high tax...

for those that couldn't afford it, besides, that's already been addressed by the SCOTUS, ammo is part and parcel of the 2A.

How sad.....



Its coming. Or you all better cone up with something....the rest of us thst dont live in fear....dont are tired of watching innocents get gunned down by a "well regulated militia"

Hmmm that regulated worfld....couldn't taxation be a gorm of regulation?

Thousands upon thousands be killed often before our very eyes because cameras are everywhere now....and not do anything about it????

Its called evolving

Your little hobby...

How original.

Let me ask you this,
Are kids dying by vehicle accidents?
Are kids dying by poisoning?
Are kids dying by drowning?
Are kids dying by abuse?
Are kids dying by disease?

Seems the only kids that are dying that you care about are those the die by firearms.

do we control chemicals that cause poisoning YES!
Do we hire Life Guards to prevent drownings YES!
Do we arrest those that commit abuse...YES!
Do we do the best we can to control Disease...YES!

Time to control bullets that are killing children EVERY single day!

YES!

When was the last time you had to have a background check to buy a vehicle?
When was the last time you had to have a background check to swim in a pool?

We arrest those that use firearms in a criminal manner

That bullet control thing you dream about?
Ain't gonna happen, SCOTUS has already spoken to that.

time to strengthen those regulations!

Regulate BULLETS!!!

Lets make it so we can use biometrics to fire a weapon...and lets make sure all the bullets are registered!

Lets register them.....technology is the answer!

If you buy bullets...you buy them with their own serial number. Then whatever happens to those bullets YOU are responsible for. And since that takes time....you will just have to wait...a cooling off period...until your registered bullets arrive.

my wife is literally LHAO at your posts here, hell, even our cows are rolling their eyes at you.

NOTHING! NADA! ZIP! Bupkis!

You are still in denial that there IS a problem. Meanwhile children are dying everyday!

Children are dying every day, most by something other than firearms, yet you focus on one method and one method only.

Now our chickens and hogs are laughing.

I've got facts and the law on my side, you have what?

denial is not a river in Egypt....every goddamnday!

yet you focus on one method only.
Now who's in denial?

one doesn't negate the other....we CAN walk and chew gum at the same time!

Yes who IS in denial

The case I cited.

And it does say..."well regulated militia"....so we regulate the bulletts

Would be unconstitutional. And you really ought to read up on the Second Amendment and the meaning of "well regulated." It means in good working condition or well trained as it relates to the "militia," not "subject to extensive regulation" like you think. In fact, your definition doesn't even make sense in the context of the amendment as a whole - "An extensively regulated/controlled militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" is nonsensical, whereas "A well trained and operating militia being necessary to the security of a free state" actually makes sense.

of American military personnel.

I already did my post before I read yours so I'm keeping mine too.

Glad you noted the Iraqis. I've found with another rabid anti-gunner that he gives Hillery a pass on supporting the Iraq invasion because it had economic benefit. Grossly simplifying the actual thread flow, but that's the gist of it. Very repub view that only America lives matter.

People have a constitutional right to free press, and that means you can not put a special tax on ink to put them out of business.


People have a right to bear arms, and you can not tax bullets out of existence.

if you dislike the second amendment, why dont you work on repealing it?

The law wont pass, so Im done with this thread.

Perhaps a 1st year law student can help you understand it.

Its about damn time..the rest of us have to live in this world. If moving smokers outdoors because forcing thier smoke into my breathing space is against my rights. AyAt some point the,rights to live of the majority non-gungeoneers trumps your rights to mass bullets

...I suspect you will studiously 'forget' that you ever posted in this thread.

so it isn't a deflection.

We need common sense bullet control

After all when the 2nd A was written....muskets only shot one at a time before reloading....that was bullet control.

that signed the IWR, ergo, the ink is directly responsible for those Iraqi and American deaths.

ergo, ink was the direct result of those Iraqi and American lives.

Using your logic, the Feds could shut down DU

...it was worth it.

It appears you know little about Constitutional law, and even less about practical politics

But not for the tens of thousands including way too many children n your towns and home continue to die needlessly every year intil the vast majority are ginally fed up at babies dying for a minorities "hobby"

If golf caused tens of thousands of deaths your damn skippy we would make golf balls outrageously expensive...

You mean like alcohol?
You mean like drugs, legal and illegal?

Hahaha ondeed!

And how do heroin addicts benefit your cause.....they have a disease.......are you calling gun ownership a sickness?

I hope you didn't pull a muscle with that stretch.

As is evinced in this thread, the Washington Generals remain...

after you remove suicides and self defense. Heroin deaths doubled the past couple decades, passing firearms murders.

And self defense? Hahahaha....there are SOOOOO many of those right? You thiught I would miss that.huh? What a pathetic joke....

Children are dying and you make pathetic jokes...

Kill more than all firearms deaths:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/dea-drug-overdoses-kill-more-americans-car-crashes-or-firearms