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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:06 PM Nov 2015

New weapon designed for home defense is called ‘Salt’

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — A startup is making a new kind of gun for home defense: one that incapacitates, rather than kills, the intruder.

Salt Supply Co. has designed a paintball-style gun that shoots pellets filled with pepper spray that rupture on impact. The Salt gun is designed to be a safe alternative to traditional firearms so that nobody gets killed, including children who might discover the gun and think it’s a toy, or a family member that’s mistaken for a burglar.

“We keep it in our nightstand because it’s not deadly, you don’t have to lock it up,” said CEO Adam Kennedy. “You should feel comfortable having this by your bed, because your kid can’t kill himself with this.”

Kennedy said that he co-founded the startup with his Chicago neighbor Andy McIntosh. Both men travel a lot for work and they don’t want to leave their wives alone and defenseless in a neighborhood where shootings are frequent. But their wives didn’t want guns in the house. So they came up with Salt.

http://wtvr.com/2015/10/28/new-weapon-designed-for-home-defense-is-called-salt/
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New weapon designed for home defense is called ‘Salt’ (Original Post) SecularMotion Nov 2015 OP
Freedom of choice. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #1
On the other hand: discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #2
Ballistic trauma SecularMotion Nov 2015 #3
Some additional useful data for you: discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #4
the weapon toddlers use to shoot their parents is not effective. maybe salt is a step up nt msongs Nov 2015 #5
When I read this part... quickesst Nov 2015 #6
^^^ this +1 discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #7
Logic.... quickesst Nov 2015 #9
Not a bad sounding idea, for unwanted drunks, but not worth the risk with home invaders. ileus Nov 2015 #8
Reliability is key. But this is a promising development. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #10
What about tear gas and oven spray? OakCliffDem Nov 2015 #11
Oven spray is not immediately incapacitating, but is likely to cause permanent blindless benEzra Nov 2015 #14
Oh come on now OakCliffDem Nov 2015 #15
correction beergood Nov 2015 #12
I've got plenty of cans of beans in my cupboards. pablo_marmol Nov 2015 #13

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
2. On the other hand:
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:34 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.nopepperspray.org/factsheet.htm

Pepper Spray, technically called "oleoresin capsicum," is a controversial chemical weapon in the arsenal of law enforcement. Originally developed as a bear repellent, the substance was certified for police use in California in 1992. When released, it causes intense pain, coughing, gagging, shortness of breath, and burning of the eyes and skin. It immediately inflames throat, nose and lung membranes and induces copious secretion of mucous in the lungs, nose and mouth. The pain caused by the spray is so intense that, once sprayed, many people temporarily lose the ability to stand. Pepper spray in combination with pre-existing respiratory conditions such as asthma can be fatal.
 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
3. Ballistic trauma
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:37 PM
Nov 2015
The immediate damaging effect of a gunshot wound is typically severe bleeding, and with it the potential for hypovolemic shock, a condition characterized by inadequate delivery of oxygen to vital organs. In the case of traumatic hypovolemic shock, this failure of adequate oxygen delivery is due to blood loss, as blood is the means of delivering oxygen to the body's constituent parts. Devastating effects can result when a bullet strikes a vital organ such as the heart or lungs, or damages a component of the central nervous system such as the spine or brain. Common causes of death following gunshot injury include exsanguination, hypoxia caused by pneumothorax, catastrophic injury to the heart and larger blood vessels, and damage to the brain or central nervous system. Additionally, gunshot wounds typically involve a large degree of nearby tissue disruption and destruction due to the physical effects of the projectile. Non-fatal gunshot wounds can result in serious disability.

Gunshot injuries can vary widely from case to case since the location of the injury can be in any part of the body, with wide variations in entry point. Also, the path and possible fragmentation of the bullet within the body is unpredictable. The study of the dynamics of bullets in gunshot injuries is called terminal ballistics.

Non-fatal gunshot wounds frequently have severe and long-lasting effects, even after the victim has made a successful recovery. Typically, the consequences involve some form of major disfigurement and/or permanent disability. As a rule, all gunshot wounds are considered medical emergencies that require immediate hospital treatment. Hospitals are generally required to report all gunshot wounds to police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_trauma

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
4. Some additional useful data for you:
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015
http://nebula.wsimg.com/fb54bbe7bcde47ffde93ea48ce9b9f13?AccessKeyId=D0DCC35FC05D0FC60556&disposition=0&alloworigin=1

The last 25 years of modern wound ballistic research has demonstrated yet again what historical reports have always indicated, that there are only two valid methods of incapacitation: one based on psychological factors and the other physiological damage. People are often rapidly psychologically incapacitated by minor wounds that are not immediately physiologically incapacitating. Psychological factors are also the reason people can receive severe, even non-survivable wounds and continue functioning for short periods of time. Up to fifty percent of those individuals rapidly incapacitated by bullet wounds are probably incapacitated for psychological rather than physiological reasons. Psychological incapacitation is an extremely erratic, highly variable, and completely unpredictable human response, independent of any inherent characteristics of a particular projectile.


This is why a firearm often defuses a confrontation even if the armed victim is not an expert shot and has not trained to shoot under duress. The appearance of a firearm in the hands of a victim will give the aggressor pause and often cause a retreat.

quickesst

(6,302 posts)
6. When I read this part...
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:01 PM
Nov 2015

“We keep it in our nightstand because it’s not deadly, you don’t have to lock it up,” said CEO Adam Kennedy. “You should feel comfortable having this by your bed, because your kid can’t kill himself with this.”

I thought to myself this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anyone say. You don't have to lock it up? Your kid won't get hurt or possibly killed if he shoots himself? Your child won't hurt or possibly kill a sibling? I am NOT anti gun because I own one, but someone would have to be stupid to leave this weapon or any other weapon lying around or in an unlocked drawer where their kid can get to it.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
10. Reliability is key. But this is a promising development.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

I'd like nothing better than to have access to a non-lethal method of personal defense that was as reliable (or better) than a firearm. I have precisely zero desire to kill anyone; no matter how justified the circumstances, taking a human life changes any reasonably sane person.

OakCliffDem

(1,274 posts)
11. What about tear gas and oven spray?
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 06:15 PM
Nov 2015

Oven spray is cheap and effective.

Plus, an intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .44 Magnum will get angry over your retaliation and kill you.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
14. Oven spray is not immediately incapacitating, but is likely to cause permanent blindless
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 09:51 PM
Nov 2015

and spraying someone in the face with it would likely be aggravated assault at minimum unless you were in imminent danger of death, serious bodily harm, or a forcible felony.

If you are thinking of using a defensive spray, use a good quality OC spray, or something like Kimber's Pepper Blaster, not something that won't stop someone in the short term and may blind them in the long term.

beergood

(470 posts)
12. correction
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 07:24 PM
Nov 2015

"And in a move that’s unusual for the gun industry, or for any product that bears a resemblance to guns, the ad on Indiegogo features a same-sex couple."

the pink pistols have been around a lot longer than these guys. http://www.pinkpistols.org/about-the-pink-pistols/


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