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davepc

(3,936 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:04 AM Nov 2015

Brazil Seeks to Copy U.S. Gun Culture

http://time.com/4108421/brazil-u-s-gun-culture/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter

Congressmen in Brazil, one of the most violent countries in the world, are proposing to dramatically loosen restrictions on personal gun ownership, bringing the country much closer to the American right to bear arms.

The politicians say the measures are necessary to allow embattled citizens the right to defend themselves from criminals armed with illegal weapons. But opponents say the move will only increase the country’s toll of nearly 60,000 murders in 2014.

The draft law, which is set to be voted on by the lower house of congress this month, introduces a right for citizens to own firearms for self-defense or the protection of property. Currently, citizens must apply for a gun permit and justify why they need a gun, meaning that applications can be easily denied.

The bill also reduces the minimum age for the purchase of weapons from 25 to 21, removes a ban on those under criminal investigation owning or carrying weapons and allows citizens to buy nine guns and 600 rounds of ammunition a year.

“Brazil is an extremely violent country and the state has failed to resolve this problem,” the law’s author Laudivio Carvalho of the powerful Brazilian Democratic Movement Party, says in a telephone interview. “The population needs the right to defend themselves, their family and their property as they are the ones being attacked. Ninety percent of assaults are being carried out with illegal weapons.”

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Critics fear the changes will lead to even more murders and an increase in vigilantism in a country where 50% of the population agree that “a good bandit is a dead bandit.” Last year Brazil recorded 58,497 murders, a rate of 28.8 per 100,000 people. By comparison, the U.S. recorded 14,249, a rate of 4.5.


There's about 115 million fewer people in Brazil then the USA. That murder rate is insane.

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DetlefK

(16,456 posts)
1. Brazil also has abyssmal poverty-rates.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015

When your country pumps raw sewage and garbage into the bay where the Olympic Games are supposed to hold their water-tournaments...

A failed economic policy, massive corruption at top-levels, massive poverty... The gun in your pocket won't fix that.

 

OBenario

(604 posts)
5. "Brazil also has abyssmal poverty-rates"
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:52 AM
Nov 2015

Actually, no, it's a middle-income country that has recently left UN hunger map and was the world leader in poverty reduction in the last decade.

I also didn't understand what's your point about "raw sewage and garbage".

And whenever I see Americans talking about "massive corruption at top-levels" in any other country I have no other options besides stop taking it seriously.

DetlefK

(16,456 posts)
6. Behold the power of Google!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:50 AM
Nov 2015

1. On the poverty and corruption, let's ask the Brazilians if they are unhappy about those and would like to protest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil

2. On the sewage: A large part of Brazil's sewage-system is located at the surface in canals and the sewage is lead untreated into rivers and from there into the sea. Contact with this untreated sewage regularly leads to health-problems for poor people.
http://www.businessinsider.com/medieval-brazils-sewage-system-is-comparable-to-london-or-paris-in-the-14th-century-2015-9?IR=T

Fernando Garcia de Freitas has written several reports tracking the health, financial and public policy fallout from Brazil's sewage woes for the pro-sanitation organization Trata Brasil.

"We're talking about nearly 100 million people who are subject, in varying degrees, to this sort of underdevelopment," said Freitas, the expert who called the current sewage system "medieval."

"The effects of our backwardness in sewage treatment goes far beyond the most obvious and easily perceptible one — pollution," Freitas said. Exposure to sewage, he said, "affects people's physiology, it affects their psychological development, harming their intellectual development and then their professional development."


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Brazil is the world's seventh-largest economy, but ranked 84th for access to water and sanitation in last year's Yale Environmental Performance Index of 178 countries, trailing such nations such as Turkmenistan, Moldova, Albania, Syria and nearby Chile.

Rapid urban growth in recent decades, poor planning, political infighting and economic instability are largely to blame, experts say.


3. The rate of poverty reduction does not give information about the absolute amount of poverty.

 

OBenario

(604 posts)
7. So...
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:48 AM
Nov 2015

You are using the article about a protest to support your claim about "abysmal poverty"?

Alright then...

DetlefK

(16,456 posts)
8. Not "a" protest. A series of protests that lasted a month.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:23 PM
Nov 2015

If people protest all month long about a miniscule price-increase of the bus-fare, there might be more to this than just a miniscule price-increase of the bus-fare.

DetlefK

(16,456 posts)
14. You mixed up a function and the derivative of the function.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:19 AM
Nov 2015

The rate by which Brazil reduced poverty does not give information about the absolute amount of poverty in Brazil.




I feel like we are going-off-track here.

What sources have you got for poverty-rates in Brazil?

 

OBenario

(604 posts)
15. I didn't mix up anything.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:31 AM
Nov 2015

The one inventing facts out of nowhere here is you, not me.

The sources I have?

Besides being Brazilian, I read books and data. I don't get to the conclusion a country is in abyssmal poverty based on the amount of protests. It would be pathetic.

Blue_Tires

(55,848 posts)
2. I appreciate the effort, but
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:29 AM
Nov 2015

Good luck with that shit...

I mean the favela gangs in Rio supposedly have access to RPGs and military hardware...

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
3. This has been brewing for years in Brazil. The issue is self-defense...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015

Not a policy of strategic battles against gang firepower, and Not solving crime and economic problems. I don't know if the crime rates would drop with any liberalized gun laws and subsequent increases in armed citizenry, but one thing is for sure: The gangs and thugs like the current laws just as they are.

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