Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumA Thanksgiving miracle. Obama signs new gun legislation.
Thankfully, it was all pro-2A. The CMP is now authorized to sell military surplus semi-automatic handguns to civilians (M1911/1911A1s), the EPA is banned from attempting to regulate lead bullets, and military officials have some flexibility in arming personnel at recruiting centers and other sites.
I've posted about the need for CMP handgun sales before, but I did not think it would happen anytime soon. Earlier this year the Department of Army and DOJ issued a white paper expressing concern with the potential program, yet we were still able to get it done politically. The concerns documented in the white paper were entirely unfounded.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/25/breaking-news-it-is-now-law-the-cmp-can-sell-1911s-to-the-public-a-thanksgiving-day-miracle/
There are potentially 100,000 .45 caliber military surplus handguns that could become available for civilian purchase through this program. The first year, only 10,000 will be transferred. Hopefully next year we can get the .22 caliber training pistols and the .38 specials added to the program.
I wonder if this is what the controllers meant when they were urging Obama to take executive action on gun control last week. I somehow doubt it.
Get yours soon! They must ship from CMP to your FFL.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I'll be looking forward to acquiring a piece of history.
In Vietnam, the .45 was a part of my survival kit I carried as a helo pilot, we had the choice of the .38 or the .45, needless to say, I opted for the .45.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Believe it or not, I don't own a 1911 yet. I would love to get one of these CMP guns, fire a few rounds of .45 acp ball through it at the range, and put it in the safe for future generations to treasure. A true piece of United States history.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)I need to check that all my paperwork on file there is up to date.
Waldorf
(654 posts)online ones to get by on that requirement. Anybody you know go that route?
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)My understanding is that the M1 Collectors Club is an online membership. http://www.m1collectorsclub.com/
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)I imagine we won't see these for sale for several years. But this legislation is a "good first step" to quote the gun control crowd. CMP has over 200,000 existing customers, so 10,000 1911s per year will sell quickly.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)But Bloomberg has not sent out marching orders on this issue yet, since he has not the "usual subjects" have no idea they should be poutraged.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)linuxman
(2,337 posts)Straw Man
(6,777 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 30, 2015, 02:56 AM - Edit history (1)
... if you're looking for a 1911 just to shoot, you can do much better on the consumer market. Most likely these will show quite a bit of wear and will have been arsenal-refurbished multiple times. I wouldn't expect matching serial numbers or anything like that.
Still, very cool. And I might have to get one to keep my Garand company -- if the price is right.
DonP
(6,185 posts)The original military .45 had a relatively loose slide to frame fit, to allow for it being dropped in the mud, wiped off and keep shooting. That was part of Browning's original design.
Over time that got even looser from those tens of thousands of rounds fired. I'm guessing some, if not most, of these are gonna be in rough shape, like some of the Garands were. But every scratch and gouge is history.
Some Special Ops units had requisitioned some of the old .45s in the '90's and totally rebuilt them on the original frame, all new slides, new springs, sights, rails etc., but I'm pretty sure none of those are going to Anniston or CMP North.
I'll get in line as soon as the rules show up. For the history value. Maybe I'll get lucky and get a Singer Sewing Machine Company 1911?
Kind of like the Rockola Juke Box Company M-1 Carbines. They had a lot of "odd"companies making the 1911 over the two wars it was carried in.
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)but would love to get one of these.
this would give me 2 guns to hang on the wall.
I have a working gun Glock 21 .45 acp
and the Springfield xd 45 3.3
love both systems.
canosoviejo
(15 posts)Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)I know he would also purchase a 1911 pistol. I wonder if any of these guns were WWII service pistols.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Supposedly the US military did not buy any 1911's after WWII.
And CMP is going to have re-build most of them if they are anything like the worn out junk I had in 1993 in the National Guard. The one I qualified on wouldn't go a full magazine without jamming.
DonP
(6,185 posts)They'll safety check every gun; manual safety, grip safety, Out of Battery function etc.
Sort them by manufacturer to help set prices.
Check for the level of muzzle wear on the barrel and rate the wear.
Field strip and examine each major component and springs for damage or wear.
Perform basic function tests.
Replace any broken parts and scrap unsafe or non-functioning guns for parts.
Probably sold with one magazine, like the Granads with 1 clip or the Carbines with 1 ten round magazine.
I don't believe they test fire them.
Got 2 Garands, 2 Carbines and 1 '03 from the CMP. (Have the issue history on the Garands too; 1 went to the 1st Fleet Marine Force in 1943, 1 to the Big Red One in 1944) All are better shooters than I am.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)A full clip from the Garand, five rounds from the Carbine. They will probably fire at least 5 rounds from each 45.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)It was part of a Military Appropriations bill that was veto proof.