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Ed -- A Petition For Stronger Gun Laws (Original Post) SecularMotion Dec 2015 OP
By that logic, hasn't the press changed Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #1
You're spewing NRA talking points on speed trigger today. SecularMotion Dec 2015 #2
you didnt address the point that the first 20 round mag predates the bill of rights. Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #4
Calling a fact a "talking point" means it's still a fact. krispos42 Dec 2015 #5
Calling anything an "NRA talking point"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #6
"speed spew?" You musta missed the male appendage cites in Guns Discussion. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #7
If using facts is an "NRA Talking Point™," branford Dec 2015 #8
Your support of the NRA on a website for liberals is disgusting SecularMotion Dec 2015 #9
No, whats morally bankrupt, is using a terrorist attack to push for gun restrictions... beevul Dec 2015 #10
Sigh... branford Dec 2015 #11
he will run away now Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #13
See comment #9 SecularMotion Dec 2015 #14
Saying someone is "supporting the NRA" and calling that "disgusting"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #15
I see he has nothing Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #17
Well neither does the tribe of Bloomberg moneyhole orgs discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #18
See comment #13 DonP Dec 2015 #16
too bad you cannot take the truth Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #12
That silly Ed edgineered Dec 2015 #3
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
1. By that logic, hasn't the press changed
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:40 AM
Dec 2015

Perhaps we could ban this PSA from the internet. They of course are free to print it in a newspaper.

Also, first 20 round magazine was on a girandoni air rifle made in 1780. Bill of rights-1791

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
6. Calling anything an "NRA talking point"...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:46 PM
Dec 2015

...without addressing the substance of the issue, is just another talking point.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
8. If using facts is an "NRA Talking Point™,"
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:02 PM
Dec 2015

I happily consider myself guilty as charged.

Using juvenile and lazy "guilt by association" tactics when confronted by inconvenient facts does not constitute substantive argument, is not in any was persuasive, and helps explain the lack of success of the gun control movement.

I would also remind you that the NRA has about 5 million members out of 80-100+ million legal American gun owners, to say nothing of gun rights supporters who don't own firearms like myself. When accusing close to 90% of non-NRA gun owners and supporters of agreeing with the NRA (e.g., like simple historical facts about firearm technology), all you accomplish it getting some of these people to consider membership. The NRA would like to thank you for your ongoing support.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
10. No, whats morally bankrupt, is using a terrorist attack to push for gun restrictions...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:54 PM
Dec 2015

No, whats morally bankrupt, is using a terrorist attack to push for gun restrictions which would not have prevented that terrorist attack.

Look in the mirror.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
11. Sigh...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:05 PM
Dec 2015

If you honestly believe anything I wrote demonstrated support for the NRA as an organization, you need help with basic reading comprehension. You need to learn that people can support gun rights without supporting the NRA, which as previously advised, only represents about 5% of gun owners.

It was you who brought-up the NRA, rather than actually respond to inconvenient, and fairly uncontroversial facts, about firearm technology. Again, accusing people of who don't agree with you of essentially being "NRA-sympathizers" is just lazy and mendacious. If you ever wonder why gun control is failing and the NRA manages to set the tone for the political and legal battle for gun rights, you need only look in the mirror.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
15. Saying someone is "supporting the NRA" and calling that "disgusting"...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:34 AM
Dec 2015

...is more of an accusation than a refutation of any assertion they may have advanced.

Making unfounded accusations is so helpful in this discussion.

Thanks for the 1 post in 10 that isn't just a copy/paste of someone else's brain fart.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)
18. Well neither does the tribe of Bloomberg moneyhole orgs
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:12 AM
Dec 2015

They are all more like examples of "how to render yourself irrelevant".
The Everytown/MDA group is just kind of a collection of "rent some demonstrators" or "protester temps".
Some of the others are simply "think-tanks who can be paid to agree with you".

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