Gun Control & RKBA

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts) Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:41 AM Dec 2015

What Will It Take to End the Ban on Gun Violence Research?

On Dec. 18, the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives passed the $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill to fund the government through next year. The bill included a Republican rider to continue a 17-year-old ban on funding gun research — the Dickey amendment.

Named after former Rep. Jay Dickey, the ban prohibits government spending on gun control advocacy. Though it doesn’t explicitly ban research on gun violence, this clause and its attendant risk to funding has caused government researches to avoid the topic for many years.

Even former Rep. Dickey, who wrote the original research-blocking legislation, is no longer happy about it.

“Research could have been continued on gun violence without infringing on the rights of gun owners, in the same fashion that the highway industry continued its research without eliminating the automobile… it is my position that somehow or someway we should slowly but methodically fund such research until a solution is reached. Doing nothing is no longer an acceptable solution.”

https://sojo.net/articles/what-will-it-take-end-ban-gun-violence-research

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What Will It Take to End the Ban on Gun Violence Research? (Original Post) SecularMotion Dec 2015 OP

Won't happen.... daleanime Dec 2015 #1

English buddy, read the English discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #2

This is an outright lie. Gun related research is Kang Colby Dec 2015 #3

say the outright lie enough times Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #4

We need to compile a list of "Gun Control Urban Legends" DonP Dec 2015 #5

Any ideas for title? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #6

"Stuff they just make up"? DonP Dec 2015 #7

I say go for it discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #8

Uh, stop the "advocacy" for gun control? Seems reasonable, how 'bout you? Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #9

Surely all the millions of people that are on your side... krispos42 Dec 2015 #10

Maybe the well-known gun control advocate that's worth several billion dollars could pitch in? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #12

"Though it doesn’t explicitly ban research on gun violence" Oneka Dec 2015 #11

Still posting this lie GGJohn Dec 2015 #13

daleanime

(17,796 posts)

1. Won't happen....

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:53 AM

Dec 2015

because then just a few more of us wouldn't be able to hide from the truth.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)

2. English buddy, read the English

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:25 AM

Dec 2015

When a "ban prohibits government spending on gun control advocacy" that is NOT a "ban on funding gun research".
Those two issues are NOT the same.
They are DIFFERENT.

For example, advocacy: 'public support for or recommendation of a particular cause or policy';
however, research: 'the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions'; these terms have completely non-similar definitions. They are distinctly unalike, contrastive, divergent and even disparate.

Now about this source to which you've linked, apparently there are some other interesting articles:

> That Time C.S. Lewis Predicted the Future

> How Sci-Fi and Fantasy Help Us Understand the Divine

> Nine Ways Jesus Is Like the Doctor

> ‘Maybe There’s Hope:’ Looking for God in 'The X-Files' Reboot

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)

3. This is an outright lie. Gun related research is

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:33 AM

Dec 2015

not banned. In fact, CDC completed such research in 2013. What is rightfully banned is CDC's ability to advocate for gun control.

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)

4. say the outright lie enough times

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:44 AM

Dec 2015

DonP

(6,185 posts)

5. We need to compile a list of "Gun Control Urban Legends"

Reply to Duckhunter935 (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 10:06 AM

Dec 2015

The imaginary ban on research is a big one.

The "Magic Bullet Button" that makes any AR full auto.

With record high background checks month after month, "There are no new gun owners", (Illinois and Mass with millions of new FOID cards are just anomalies).

I bet we could get a seriously long thread going, just based on imaginary things the gun controllers take as an "Act of Faith" that just aren't so.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)

6. Any ideas for title?

Reply to DonP (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:56 PM

Dec 2015

Lies, Damn Lies and (misleading) Statistics ...maybe?

DonP

(6,185 posts)

7. "Stuff they just make up"?

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:26 PM

Dec 2015

Or the generic "The Urban Myths of Gun Control"

Kind of like our Favorite Gun Control phrases thread; e.g. "Awash in Guns", "No gun laws", "Easier to buy a gun than a book" et. al.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)

8. I say go for it

Reply to DonP (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:50 PM

Dec 2015

There's no end to the lies, lies by omission, misused terminology, manufactured terms designed to be confusing and misleading statistics. It could reach epic proportions.

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

9. Uh, stop the "advocacy" for gun control? Seems reasonable, how 'bout you?

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:01 PM

Dec 2015

krispos42

(49,445 posts)

10. Surely all the millions of people that are on your side...

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 02:54 PM

Dec 2015

...could cough of some private funds to do the research, right?

Jeez, from the way you guys freak out about this you'd think there wasn't a single private non-profit group able to research this stuff.

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)

12. Maybe the well-known gun control advocate that's worth several billion dollars could pitch in?

Reply to krispos42 (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 08:36 PM

Dec 2015

Of course, only a churl would even suggest that he's just playing at being a gun control
advocate in order to stick a spoke in the wheels of the Democratic Party...

Oneka

(653 posts)

11. "Though it doesn’t explicitly ban research on gun violence"

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 04:39 PM

Dec 2015

Nuff said!

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)

13. Still posting this lie

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:31 PM

Dec 2015

despite being corrected several times?

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