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Surely the NRA has an opinion on that. Christ, everyone else does.

It's pretty obvious from the video these cops didn't give much/any time for the kid to comply.

will you work with us to that end?

Probably that the gun control movement is a joke, run by a racist Billionaire with no grass roots support beyond a lot of online whining, feeble excuses and nobody that actually does anything to support their so called "principles".

But that's just a wild guess, based on how "effective" gun control has been in the past 20 years.

This is not a case relating to gun rights. There's no Second Amendment issue in the case.

Either the cop acted correctly, or he murdered the kid. Nothing related to the NRA.

...nailed AND glued down

TYT made the point that the cops "assumed" the kid was an adult and was holding a real gun. So in effect he had every right to be left alone.

Holding a gun in your hand is called "Brandishing" and probably illegal. Big difference.

what about the guy in Walmart with the BB gun rifle? I don't think there needed to be a holster for it or any long gun for than matter. White guys roamed around Walmart with real rifles and were not stopped. I also remember reading about a white guy actually shooting a BB gun in Walmart with no problem. Once everyone is armed, it'll be the Hatfields and the McCoys again ... for the white folk only of course. The Blah people just better keep low.

You should realize by now that the Big Bad NRA isn't going to head most people's list of dangers to society. It is a convenient target for MSM cartoonists who haven't changed their outlook since the Trogs charted, and it serves the gut needs of those who wish to blame them for pressure cooker bombs fulla firecracker powder. But such a demon is more for amusement and personal satisfaction than for advancing any serious policies.

Your post reads like an apology to them.

because they seem to have not got that meme.

I didn't read the whole thing, but I didn't see (NRA) printed anywhere....I could have missed it.

Off limits.

The NRA must be more powerful than all those countries that we surveil.

Hell, Hoover and the FBI had dossiers on ML King and others in the Civil Rights movement. They have recorded private phone calls from Angela Merkel, Netanyahu and other Euro and Asian leaders.

And you claim the NRA has managed to suppress any and all oversight?

Wow, they must be just far too powerful for a bunch of whiny people that don't actually spend any of their own time or money in support of their beliefs and only post angry threads online to overcome the mighty NRA.

Based on your post you've already lost the issue.

But we already knew that, based on gun control utter lack opf results for 20 years now.

I know! Go back to your "most powerful weapon", post "FUCK THE NRA!" several times in a GD thread, that always makes you feel better. Doesn't accomplish jack shit, but you'll feel better, as if you really did something.

You might want to move this thread to the Conspiracy Group. They won't laugh at you ... maybe.

Yeah, we can keep track of Angela Merkel's bathroom habits, but magically the NRA is off limits.

But they can't tell you why or how that happened.

I guess when an organization makes you look incompetent and stupid on a regular basis you have to imbue them with some sort of supernatural force.

Talk about coincidence:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017318080

Do they pay you or is a volunteer job?

donjaknow lots of companies/groups pay folks to hangout on innerweb forums.

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So far we're not making much on any of your posts.

So far I've only made about 13 cents this week, based on the level of your posts.

Wasting your time responding to all these lame gun control comments. In the last 3 months 99% of your posts were here.

But feel free to keep track of my posts as long as you're here, that's about all gun control fans on DU have to show for 2 years of a dedicated safe haven gun control/activism group, a handful of whiners desperately looking for a way to get a hide or a ban on someone. Oh, that and other people cartoons.

Meanwhile the pro-second people actually do things in the real world.

But maybe you're different. So tell us all the things you're doing to support gun control when you're not whining online?

So which gun control organizations do you pay dues to?

How many Town Halls have you gone to, to speak out against concealed carry or new gun ranges?

Have you contributed your money and time to any specific organizations or efforts?

How many days have you taken off work to march in support of gun control?

How many times have you met with your state legislators to tell them face to face how you feel about gun control?

We all eagerly await your long list of activist street cred.

We had one gun control fanatic here a while back, that claimed they had donated $2500 to the Brady campaign. Only problem is those donations are public record and the Brady Group total for that year was less than $1200.

They're long gone now, after whining to Skinner all the time about all the mean right wingers in the Gungeon and demanding he close it and ban all of us..

But what are you doing other than complaining and whining about other posters?

This is just a message board. People express their opinions. It probably won't change the world.

From another thread ...

I've trained over 75 people so far, that now have Illinois carry permits.

I regularly attend local Town Hall and Zoning meetings to support more shooting ranges in my area.

I use days of my vacation time to drive to the State Capitol every year and stay at a hotel for two days for I-GOLD, Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day and join 9,000 other gun owners to march and meet with our legislators.

I'm a certified Range Safety Officer and as a volunteer teach basic gun safety and marksmanship to local Scouting and other youth groups.

I probably spend over $5,000 a year on my teaching materials and shooting equipment.

I compete in several competitions including Service Rifle and High Power matches at the ISRA and other certified ranges.

I'm also an instructor for shooting and maintaining the AR15.

So, what are you doing and how much of your time and money do you commit in the real world to support your Point of View?

but I put my efforts into fighting against Citizens United and spend time talking to legislators about that. I think that will have a bigger influence on democracy and the Democratic Party than gun proliferation.

Cheesy "The Duke" edition 30-30's ???


Funky gold plated 1911's ???

paragraph. Nobody gives a fuck if he studied ballet or his dad has a ponytail. He deserted his post on a very small FOB while his fellow soldiers slept and trusting him with their life.

To compare it to those idiots at the Bundy ranch just shows they dont have a clue.

with the phoney War on Terror.

The organization is backed by millions of rednecks, racists and Republicans and you don't think Tamir's race has anything to do with the NRA not being outraged? Would you like to view my real estate listings of bridges and ocean front property while we're at it?

If you do that, then I'll acknowledge that the NRA is a racist org.
So, here's your chance to step up and prove your claim.
While you're at it, tell us what the Tamir Rice decision has to do with the NRA.

There are no statements in black and white. It's one of those unwritten "talking points" thingies we hear so much about but no one can prove exists.

And, by some peoples logic, because you can't prove they exist, it's perfect proof of a conspiracy that's been excellently covered up.

Amiright?

I thought I would give him a chance to provide proof of his claim.

Don't waste a lot of time waiting. Women and wine await!!!

Fucking TED NUGENT is on their board of directors. So you know the stuff he has said about OUR (maybe not your) president?

Ted Nugent is a RIGHT WING NUT JOB and if you need help finding quotes from him let me know.

no reason other than petty agenda seeking. It lends itself to the appearance that racism is not the concern of the accuser, that it is no more than an Elmer Gantry appeal to a moralism the accuser does not believe-in or abide-by but merely exploits for their own aggrandizement. That, in turn, does a disservice to real combatting real racism while exposing the fraud of the accuser's cause.

The NRA defending the rights of Shaneen Allen

The NRA interviewing Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke

Regular NRA contributor Colion Noir

2. The fact that he is now a paid commentator does nothing to change the fact the cause of ending racism is being cynically bastardized and exploited by gun control zealots who don't have the integrity to honestly debate issues.

3. You completely ignored more other 2 examples that also refute the gun control zealots' cynical narrative

Telling people that the cops would not be there to protect them and therefore they needed mo' guns. So, it is no surprise that he get NRA support.

I am not sure why the lady needed a gun so badly. Here in NJ, we have strict laws about carrying guns. We like it that way. We should not have to tolerate guns coming in from other states.

But I would say one of the reasons that the NRA likes these three is racist--they want to boost gun ownership among minorities because one of the their unwritten missions is to boost sales for gun makers.

Their penetration of minority populations is half or less than what it is for white Americans. Can you imagine the money that could be made if they can rile up brown people like they have white people?

Obama pushing for ‘largest gun grab in American history’: NRA

(Obama wants the mentally incompetent not to have access to guns--how cruel can he get?)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/27/obama-pushing-for-largest-gun-grab-in-american-his/?cache

or for your entertainment

http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/assault-rifles-best-and-baddest/

So, what you're saying is, the NRA finds common cause with those who support its positions regardless of race.

Supporting people that agree with them is disgusting.

I wonder if those pillars of respectability, Everytown for Gun Control and Brady do anything like that?

Oh wait, they don't have any dues paying members to support that aren't already on the payroll.

I wonder if Shannon got my Christmas Card?

Wayne LaPierre has a message for America: while addressing a crowd of Second Amendment advocates at the NRA’s 144th annual meeting, the NRA’s CEO and Executive Vice President said, “eight years of one demographically symbolic president is enough.”

Or, to translate from racist code to English: we’re tired of these uppity minorities; let’s make the White House white (and male) again.

http://aattp.org/racist-nra-ceo-wayne-lapierre-eight-years-of-one-demographically-significant-president-is-enough/

That one's not even a dog whistle.

your attacks on Noir and Clarke.

LaPierre claims Obama was only elected because he's black; effectively that's him claiming Obama was elected, not for his personal virtues and insights but merely so the American political body can say, "We're not racist! See we have a black friend!"

It's an insult because it denies Obama and his supporters their own free will.

Yet, here you are claiming the NRA of the exact same offense. You deny Noir and Clarke freely speak their minds with sincerity and I can only imagine what debased rationale you'll claim motivates the NRA's membership in its support of Shaneen Allen.

You have become so obsessed with making a claim you have descended into becoming the very thing you profess to fight. If LaPierre's behavior is so repugnant (and it is) than don't do that (which you are).

but the racists at the NRA are using them as fig leafs.

I can read and comprehend English.

How come the membership didn't abandon the NRA in its defense of Shaneen Allen?

and then was Charleton Heston--

"Mainstream America is counting on you to draw your swords & fight," Heston exclaimed, stridently advocating the swords in particular be thrust into the breasts of feminists, the "homosexual coalition," lesbian mothers, and "blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other."

http://www.weirdwildrealm.com/f-heston.html

A convenient smokescreen. And I think the membership is perfectly comfortable with the racism of the board.

For example, you seem pretty comfortable slinging homophobic slurs. I'm not sure what LaPierre's comments say about the NRA's membership as a whole but I know what your comments say about you.

believe what you want.

Where have you been?
No letters, no calls...

...just eat all the desserts at the pot luck and vanish like a fart in a tornado.

Welcome back.

I've been lurking but I've been kind of bummed lately. I'm just not sure I want do the whole politics thing anymore.

Nothing super-duper tragic. Nobody died. Me and Lover Boy are as close as ever. I can honestly say life is good and I'm happy.

BUT

I've come to believe politics makes people hurtful and cynical and power-obsessed. Bullies and a-holes, really. Most of the time I can't tell if what passes for debates or statement-making or campaigning isn't just people trying to get a rise out of other people for the same reason a petulant child pulls the wings off of a fly.

I don't want to be around people like that and, most importantly, I fear I might become like that. I'm even seeing it in this sub-thread and it sickens me.

I just want to retreat to my home in the woods, take care of my animals and make love to my husband until the asteroid hits. I suppose that makes me selfish but it's honest.

I hope you are well and I wish for you a lifetime of honor, peace, love and laughter.

I've been part of a few forums before DU and this is by far a very good one.

Sharing thoughts among people has given rise to some of the greatest accomplishments ever. I don't ever hope for greatness but someone who makes a contribution that is great and far reaching may go home one night and use my potato recipe and be pleased with it and, adding that small joy to other thoughts and memories, they may do a great thing.

Don't let the bastards wear you down. But don't lose yourself.

From Nietzsche:
Ah yes, the abyss. Beyond Good and Evil. "He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."

Find your own level of moderation, but I hope you'll stay or visit frequently. My daughter runs a cat rescue and my wife frequently says often she likes animals more than a lot of people.

I wrote a few days ago that it would be great to see if US repurpose 1% of the $585 billion 2016 defense budget and just give it in aid to one of the world's poorest countries. Maybe the hate of the world would take a breather.

So many people give to support another person, family or worthy cause not expecting a return on investment or a great alliance but just because it's the right thing to do. Maybe the country could follow suit.

I believe people are much more good than evil and stories like this prove it to me:

...and we're modest, too.
Of course it takes one to know one.

Just know this: For all the shitheels, chancers, and rogues out there, there are good people yet.

You strike me as being one of them. Be well, hug your loved ones, and if ever you decide to get back in the game you'll be most welcome...

I responded to an equally provocative taunt.

It was "stand your ground."

We'd likely put the rednecks to shame...off the top of my head I can't think of a household here on my rez that DOESN'T have firearms

People need to know and understand the 2A is for everyone, not just whites.

Winner, winner, turkey dinner.

maybe you can answer this, do you have any proof of what LonePirate claims?

...they don't care about Zachary Hammond's death.

I don't follow the NRA so what is their typical response when folks get gunned down by the police?

Do they only have press releases when white kids without guns get shot by police?
Do they only have press releases when white people without guns get shot by police?

Seriously, I have no idea, but judging by some of the lack of responses to straight forward questions of proof, I suspect that neither do you.

I already thought that gun confiscation folks already considered the NRA to be the 7th level of hell evil. Do they need to be racist to reach the 8th level? Next I'll be reading where they helped Saddam throw babies out of incubators in Kuwait too.

After a few months of following posts in this forum and on DU in general, I get the strong idea that it's less the NRA being a juggernaut and more that their opponents are a bunch of incompetent, disorganized professional victims that make the NRA look powerful.

If you don't even know what the problem with the NRA is then how the hell are you going to counter it?

Are you too clueless to read their hate of the democrats every month?

What a fucking joke!

supported some 58 House Democrats, and several senators against the tea party. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/06/AR2010100603363.html

The NRA is a bipartisan organization. All that's required is support for civil liberties.

You claim to be logical, and I'm happy to explain how it works....I just don't have time this morning. Long story short, the NRA will support any candidate that is pro-rights.

But, in your case he is just a straw man. You can't get over the fact that the NRA supports Democrats.

keep the likes of him on their board.

I am sure you need to justify your NRA support.

They also had him delivering talks in 2008, 2010, 2011,2012 and 2013. If he was an embarrassment they would not do that. Think real hard!

Sound like they don't support him?

Keep trying, this is fun!

You said this:

clueless how the NRA sports Nugent.

You're making a straw man argument, because you can't refute the fact that the NRA supports Democrats.

a few years ago much to the chagrin of Republicans.

But I also don't know why you think that organization should comment on the Rice killing. The NRA's purpose is to protect the rights of gun owners and I don't see how that purpose is implicated in this instance. I'd expect Mom's Demand Action to weigh in on Rice's killing more than the NRA, but when I went to Mom's website I saw no mention of the killing.

was African-American.

The NRA is a Second Amendment group and Tamir Rice's killing didn't implicate Second Amendment Rights. You might as well ask why Emily's List didn't comment.

It was a black kid with a toy gun. When the cops kill him, who really cares? Just another nigga dead. What, oh what, was I thinking?

When was the last time the NRA defended a POC who wasn't some right wing loony? Uh, fuckin' never?

Well, Shaneen Allen comes to mind

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/22/shaneen-allen-race-and-gun-control/

Then there's Steffon Josey-Davis.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/18/new-jersey-man-hopes-for-pardon-after-legally-owned-gun-makes-him-convict.html

But those are just two that are top of mind in the last year or so.

...black person between the ages of 19 and 45 should go and apply for concealed carry permits and that the NRA would suddenly then be all in favor of gun control. Like they were back in the 1970s.

Do you really think that there are no Black people that are members of the NRA already?

Or are you clinging to a "Redneck Bubba" version of reality for all gun owners?

Half the people in my Chicago Basic Pistol instructor class were PoC.

Actually, the NRA would be OK with that. In fact, google Otis McDonald, as in McDonald v Chicago, and click on images.
How would a gun blog like, say Concealed Nation, react to a black guy defending himself from a white racist or four?
http://concealednation.org/2015/05/video-released-of-deadly-self-defense-shooting-in-ft-myers-waffle-house/

You know who might have a bigger problem with that?
https://www.rt.com/usa/230707-guns-minority-bloomberg-newyork/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/02/johannes-paulsen/bloomberg-moves-to-squelch-comments-on-disarming-minorities/
Yes, I'm calling Bloomberg a racist as well as an authoritarian.