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Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 10:51 AM Dec 2015

U.S. intentional homicide rates and gun control.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#United_States

If guns coming from out of state hampers gun control efforts, then can someone explain why those states with allegedly lax gun control laws have lower rates than rights restriction states? Case in point, controllers mock Texas, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Virginia, Kansas and Alaska..when perhaps they should be mocking California, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey and the District of Columbia.

Believe it or not, I'm not suggesting that gun control has much of an impact....it's pretty clear that poverty has more to do with the intentional homicide rate than guns.

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U.S. intentional homicide rates and gun control. (Original Post) Kang Colby Dec 2015 OP
All we know is guns kill people... ileus Dec 2015 #1
Yup. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #2
intentional homicide ? Are people killed unintentionally are less dead? bowens43 Dec 2015 #3
There are very few fatal gun related accidents in this country. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #4
Core difference in pro and anti 2nd beardown Dec 2015 #5
I agree. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #6
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
4. There are very few fatal gun related accidents in this country.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:38 AM
Dec 2015

67% of gun deaths are suicides. Controllers just like to pad the numbers.

beardown

(363 posts)
5. Core difference in pro and anti 2nd
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:48 AM
Dec 2015

2/3 of gun deaths are suicides.
Anti 2nd says it's a gun problem.
Pro 2nd says it's a suicide problem.

To me, it's like trying to get rid of drunk drivers by banning cars. You'd still have drunks killing themselves and other folks, but at least not by cars.

It's easier and simpler to focus in on the gun angle, which is why I've referred to it as a Reagan like solution. Building an adequate mental health support network and things like economic and social justice and single payer system are the ways to address the foundation of the suicide problem. If you could magically take all guns away, do you then go after the 'new' leading suicide method such as pharma drugs or rope? Is there a specific percentage of suicide deaths per a method that no longer calls for banning the tool?

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
6. I agree.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:57 AM
Dec 2015

Countries with what amounts to civilian gun bans have higher suicide rates than the U.S, like Japan or South Korea. Even several western European countries have higher suicide rates than the U.S. But..but...it's a gun problem.

Guns are an easy policy lever. Reducing economic inequality, providing support for the at risk and suicidally depressed, jobs and economic opportunity in our inner cities...all of those things are less tangible than "oh my, ban the guess".

It is disgusting to me that gun control advocates call suicides "gun violence".

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