Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumDonald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’
Source: Washington Post
By Jenna Johnson January 8 at 12:36 AM
BURLINGTON, Vt. Donald Trump said Thursday that he wants to eliminate gun-free zones at schools.
"I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools, and you have to and on military bases," Trump said, to scattered cheers during a campaign rally on Thursday night. "My first day, it gets signed, okay? My first day. There's no more gun-free zones."
Trump has repeatedly said that gun-free zones are a magnet for mentally ill shooters and that the recent mass shootings in Paris and California could have been prevented if more citizens were armed to protect themselves and others. For months, Trump has specifically called for the elimination of gun-free zones at military installments, but his call to do the same at schools appears to be a new stance.
The proposal raises a number of questions, such as: Would this apply to all public schools, from elementary to college? How would schools deal with the likely logistical and safety concerns created by having guns on grounds?
Trump's campaign manager and press secretary did not respond to requests for clarification.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/08/donald-trump-i-will-get-rid-of-gun-free-zones-on-schools/
stone space
(6,498 posts)What do Trump and the NRA have against education?
Next thing, NRA Trumpers will be advocating the firing of Faculty who refuse to teach in armed classrooms.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)then you should be fired.
stone space
(6,498 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Is there something wrong with you?
And why shouldn't someone lose their job if they don't abide by the rules?
stone space
(6,498 posts)That would be you and Trump.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Again, this is pure comedy gold.
You do provide entertainment here.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)When in the past you stated you would not teach and encourage others not to teach when students were there and being lawful doing a lawful activity, yes some here called for you to to be sanctioned and if you continued to do it terminated, for failing to do your job. You got mad when we called for a department to be sanctioned for not following the law. You complianed that you should get your public paycheck even if you refused to do your job.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Donald Trump and the NRA can just go and lick their precious guns.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you're free to quit and go some place else.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Doing your job if it is a legal activity. Those students paid for that instruction.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)No rebut to my argument you just post insults. Just shows the type of person you really are. Have a great night and I will not alert on your insults directed at me.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)DU's Trump types must really get off at the thought of firing faculty at state universities, I suppose.
This is pure comedy gold.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)and I'm being generous.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)3 hides he got on the same day. He might be able to top it.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Is that what you are doing here?
Gloating?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)You are on enforced breaks from posting due to having 5 hides more often then anyone else I have seen on DU in years.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Not to mention, he then starts other threads complaining about others and only telling part of the story and refusing to link to the offending post when asked many times. He is scared to do so as it shows how his post is just not the truth.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Might as well enjoy the laughs he provides for the time being
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Cool, keep going, somebody will alert and you will get another hide. It is sad you have not learned from several vacations.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Do you guys seriously expect praise for that?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)This is pure freaking comedy gold.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And refused to teach to people doing a lawful activity, you would quit. I guess that public money is to sweet and is a higher calling for you. You must be talking about my poll that was over deporting people that had exhausted all legal avenues and we're ordered to leave the country and refused. It seem to me you had a post about that poll insulting me hidden and you went on your most recent vacation then. By the way the poll was 70% in favor of my position.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)As long as you do the job I pay you for. You are the one saying you do not want to work and still get your public salary. By the way Trump sucks.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)as long as you abide by the rules of your employer, and if they allow firearms on your campus and classroom, then you have to abide by the rules of the university or get terminated or you can quit.
It's really that simple.
stone space
(6,498 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)It really, really is that simple.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That way. Save the cost of having you fired.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I'm not a contestant on one of your game shows.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But I hope the taxpayers that pay your salary do so as you refuse to do your job. You must really like that public money for not doing any work. I am glad I work hard to earn my taxpayer funded salary. Actually very proud of it and pay for items almost daily out of my pocket for our training facility.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I live in the real world, thank you.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)terminated.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Crap, insults all he has?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)teachers are supposed to possess logic and common sense, so far, he's shown neither.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That pay you salary the favor of quiting. If it is legal and the students are doing a lawful activity, you should quit or be fired for refusing to do your job.
stone space
(6,498 posts)That pay you salary the favor of quiting.
What did we do to you?
You seem intent on destroying our lives.
And for what?
What would you gain by having faculty fired?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)break those rules and regulations and you'll suffer the consequences.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)why should you be paid and not terminated?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)but insulting me is OK?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)How in the world am I interfering in your alleged job?
I'm just a retired Army officer, living my life out in AZ, so, how am I interfering in your alleged job?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)do the job you get paid, great. Refuse to do it and you should be reprimanded and if that behavior continues, terminated, simple. You should not be paid for not working. The students paid for classes and they should have an instructor that follows the law.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)If you look juror 5 agreed with you but voted to hide?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Which I did and you then went crying and posting insulting posts about me over in GD. Why does that not surprise me. Next time you tell me to leave you alone, I will not and keep telling the truth. I find it funny you refused to post a link to this thread in the GD thread as it rightfully would have shown the whole truth and obviously you are scared to do it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027531114
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)but your children cannot get any protection.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)So there.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)was stuck down by SCOTUS 20 years ago as a 10A violation. Trump might know business, and NY divorce and bankruptcy law, but doesn't know squat about civics.
jimmy the one
(2,717 posts)link: Trump has repeatedly said that gun-free zones are a magnet for mentally ill shooters and that the recent mass shootings in Paris and California could have been prevented if more citizens were armed .. Trump said he wants to eliminate gun-free zones at schools... "My first day, it gets signed, okay? There's no more gun-free zones."
Don't understand this reasoning. I think maybe 90% of yearly gun homicides are done where guns are allowed, anyone disagree? maybe even higher like 95%. Like homes, towns, cities, rural areas, all where guns are allowed, with varying state restrictions & proscriptions.
I think 95% or more of suicides done by gun are committed in gun zones, like homes, cities, towns, rural areas, most all where guns are allowed, again with varying restrictions.
Relatively very few gun deaths occur in 'gun free zones' I think, so much I think it's working as best as it realistically could. It's not like eliminating gun free zones would prevent all gun deaths therein overall - perhaps increase the number, gunshot wounds & mishaps as well.
I think next Monday jan 18th, British parliament will discuss whether to ban Donald trump from Britain.
British MPs will debate possibly shutting Trump out of the U.K., it was confirmed, after a petition on the parliament.uk website gathered over 560,000 signatures. Parliament is required to .. which gathers over 100,000 signatures.
Trump took a jab at what he called Britains Muslim problem. We have places in London and other places that are so radicalized that the police are afraid for their own lives, he told MSNBC. We have to be very smart and very vigilant.
In its call to ban Trump from Britains shores, the petition says: The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.
The parliamentary debate, which will take place on January 18, will not necessarily lead to any change in U.K. policy towards Trump. By scheduling a debate on these petitions, the committee is not expressing a view on whether or not the government should exclude Donald Trump from the U.K.,... As with any decision to schedule a petition for debate, it simply means that the committee has decided that the subject should be debated.
And blimey, a raspberry to PM Cameron: Both Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor George Osborne have said in the past that they do not want to keep Trump out of the UK, though in December the Prime Ministers office did condemn his proposed ban on Muslims.. http://www.newsweek.com/british-parliament-debate-ban-trump-412113
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)And had over 100 murders last year.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)in every school and prevent this kind of bullshit. As POTUS, he can't. He can say that he would sign a bill that does that, or make an executive order about federal buildings or reservations ONLY if those bans aren't there by statute.
If he were running for congress he could say "I will introduce a bill".
Put that with his equating marching in a nice uniform at a prep school is the same as military service. He is making life look more like a Simpsons episode.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I have to correct one thing
If he were running for congress he could say "I will introduce a bill".
There was a federal law about local schools until SCOTUS struck it down for violating the 10A. Most if not all of the states wrote their own laws, often allowing for law enforcement and school rifle club exceptions. Since they are state laws or local school board decisions, nothing he or any other POTUS can do about it.
kimbutgar
(23,164 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Lopez v. U.S. (1995) prevents the federal government from making schools gun free, but states and local districts may have gun free policies.
ileus
(15,396 posts)It's like we want schools to be easy targets...