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Eugene

(62,626 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:02 PM Jan 2016

Donald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’

Source: Washington Post

Donald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’

By Jenna Johnson January 8 at 12:36 AM

BURLINGTON, Vt. — Donald Trump said Thursday that he wants to eliminate gun-free zones at schools.

"I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools, and — you have to — and on military bases," Trump said, to scattered cheers during a campaign rally on Thursday night. "My first day, it gets signed, okay? My first day. There's no more gun-free zones."

Trump has repeatedly said that gun-free zones are a magnet for mentally ill shooters and that the recent mass shootings in Paris and California could have been prevented if more citizens were armed to protect themselves and others. For months, Trump has specifically called for the elimination of gun-free zones at military installments, but his call to do the same at schools appears to be a new stance.

The proposal raises a number of questions, such as: Would this apply to all public schools, from elementary to college? How would schools deal with the likely logistical and safety concerns created by having guns on grounds?

Trump's campaign manager and press secretary did not respond to requests for clarification.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/08/donald-trump-i-will-get-rid-of-gun-free-zones-on-schools/
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Donald Trump: ‘I will get rid of gun-free zones on schools’ (Original Post) Eugene Jan 2016 OP
I've read that particular Trumpism here before. stone space Jan 2016 #1
Well, if you won't follow the law or rules, GGJohn Jan 2016 #10
Anti-intellectual union-busting ammosexuals are so predictable. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #11
I have no idea who you're talking about. GGJohn Jan 2016 #14
I'm not the one going around talking about firing people. stone space Jan 2016 #29
In what reality do you reside? GGJohn Jan 2016 #30
ah yes the insult Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #12
I'm not going to teach in an armed classroom. stone space Jan 2016 #13
Then don't, GGJohn Jan 2016 #15
then you should be terminated for not Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #16
You sound like Donald Trump here. stone space Jan 2016 #17
and when you have Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #18
NO, he sounds like an employer. eom. GGJohn Jan 2016 #19
Whiney-ass gun-licking Trump supporters are looking for a Union to bust. stone space Jan 2016 #20
LOL. GGJohn Jan 2016 #21
I know, right Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #24
I'm giving him about a week before he's on another time out, GGJohn Jan 2016 #27
well he did drop Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #32
When you make statements like that, it comes off as gloating. stone space Jan 2016 #61
No, it's recognizing your inability to not lie or insult people Lurks Often Jan 2016 #63
True indeed Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #68
He'll be back on timeout soon enough Lurks Often Jan 2016 #69
yep Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #70
doubling down on the insults Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #23
You and Trump like to talk about firing people and kicking immigrants out. stone space Jan 2016 #25
What reality are you in? GGJohn Jan 2016 #26
well if you had scruples Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #28
What's wrong with me getting paid? You sound like Trump. stone space Jan 2016 #31
I have no issue Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #33
Nothing wrong with you getting paid, GGJohn Jan 2016 #34
I will not teach in an armed classroom, no matter what Trump says. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #35
Then you will get terminated, or you can quit and go somewhere else. GGJohn Jan 2016 #36
Fuck Trump and his DU Apprentices. stone space Jan 2016 #38
well quit if you feel Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #40
What makes you think you and Trump can have me fired? stone space Jan 2016 #42
I can't Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #44
Are you for real? GGJohn Jan 2016 #45
I have no game shows Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #55
That still doesn't change the fact that you either obey the university's policies, or you get GGJohn Jan 2016 #41
what is with all of the Trump Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #39
I've come to the conclusion that he ain't no teacher, GGJohn Jan 2016 #43
then you should do the taxpayers Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #37
What is it that you have against us? stone space Jan 2016 #47
Nothing against you, just obey the rules and regulations and you'll be fine, GGJohn Jan 2016 #48
Please leave us alone. Allow us our jobs. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #49
but you stated you will refuse to do your job Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #52
Please leave us alone. We are human beings (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #54
so are your students Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #56
LOL, leave you alone? GGJohn Jan 2016 #57
I have nothing against you, Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #50
Please leave us alone. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #51
good night Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #53
Now he's over in GD whining about this. GGJohn Jan 2016 #59
I see that and the bad hide Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #64
Awwww, that's cute. GGJohn Jan 2016 #58
so you ask to be left alone Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #65
and if you get elected, (god forbid) make sure that the white house is not a gun free zone as well. hollysmom Jan 2016 #2
Trump hates the kids...same person who sent his kids to school with private security SummerSnow Jan 2016 #3
+1 Mnemosyne Jan 2016 #4
And then I will yank my kids out of public schools bluestateguy Jan 2016 #5
Rethugs care nothing about public schools...cause that's where the "poor" people send their kids SummerSnow Jan 2016 #6
actually, the federal ban on schools gejohnston Jan 2016 #9
keep gun free zones gun free, trump jimmy the one Jan 2016 #7
DC is essentially a gun free zone TeddyR Jan 2016 #71
Civics, Government, and economics should be required gejohnston Jan 2016 #8
lol Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #67
post script gejohnston Jan 2016 #22
I say we start at the school his young son attends kimbutgar Jan 2016 #46
States rights bluestateguy Jan 2016 #60
Access control is the answer...why aren't we serious about School security? ileus Jan 2016 #62
look at this, lol Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #66
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
1. I've read that particular Trumpism here before.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

What do Trump and the NRA have against education?

Next thing, NRA Trumpers will be advocating the firing of Faculty who refuse to teach in armed classrooms.


GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
14. I have no idea who you're talking about.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

Is there something wrong with you?

And why shouldn't someone lose their job if they don't abide by the rules?

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
29. I'm not the one going around talking about firing people.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016
Is there something wrong with you?


That would be you and Trump.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
12. ah yes the insult
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jan 2016

When in the past you stated you would not teach and encourage others not to teach when students were there and being lawful doing a lawful activity, yes some here called for you to to be sanctioned and if you continued to do it terminated, for failing to do your job. You got mad when we called for a department to be sanctioned for not following the law. You complianed that you should get your public paycheck even if you refused to do your job.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
13. I'm not going to teach in an armed classroom.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jan 2016

Donald Trump and the NRA can just go and lick their precious guns.



 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
16. then you should be terminated for not
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jan 2016

Doing your job if it is a legal activity. Those students paid for that instruction.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
18. and when you have
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jan 2016

No rebut to my argument you just post insults. Just shows the type of person you really are. Have a great night and I will not alert on your insults directed at me.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
20. Whiney-ass gun-licking Trump supporters are looking for a Union to bust.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jan 2016

DU's Trump types must really get off at the thought of firing faculty at state universities, I suppose.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
61. When you make statements like that, it comes off as gloating.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:47 AM
Jan 2016
I'm giving him about a week before he's on another time out,


Is that what you are doing here?

Gloating?

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
63. No, it's recognizing your inability to not lie or insult people
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jan 2016

You are on enforced breaks from posting due to having 5 hides more often then anyone else I have seen on DU in years.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
68. True indeed
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jan 2016

Not to mention, he then starts other threads complaining about others and only telling part of the story and refusing to link to the offending post when asked many times. He is scared to do so as it shows how his post is just not the truth.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
23. doubling down on the insults
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jan 2016

Cool, keep going, somebody will alert and you will get another hide. It is sad you have not learned from several vacations.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
25. You and Trump like to talk about firing people and kicking immigrants out.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

Do you guys seriously expect praise for that?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
28. well if you had scruples
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

And refused to teach to people doing a lawful activity, you would quit. I guess that public money is to sweet and is a higher calling for you. You must be talking about my poll that was over deporting people that had exhausted all legal avenues and we're ordered to leave the country and refused. It seem to me you had a post about that poll insulting me hidden and you went on your most recent vacation then. By the way the poll was 70% in favor of my position.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
31. What's wrong with me getting paid? You sound like Trump.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jan 2016
I guess that public money is to sweet and is a higher calling for you.


 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
33. I have no issue
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jan 2016

As long as you do the job I pay you for. You are the one saying you do not want to work and still get your public salary. By the way Trump sucks.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
34. Nothing wrong with you getting paid,
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jan 2016

as long as you abide by the rules of your employer, and if they allow firearms on your campus and classroom, then you have to abide by the rules of the university or get terminated or you can quit.
It's really that simple.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
36. Then you will get terminated, or you can quit and go somewhere else.
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jan 2016

It really, really is that simple.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
42. What makes you think you and Trump can have me fired?
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016
Save the cost of having you fired.


I'm not a contestant on one of your game shows.



 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
44. I can't
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jan 2016

But I hope the taxpayers that pay your salary do so as you refuse to do your job. You must really like that public money for not doing any work. I am glad I work hard to earn my taxpayer funded salary. Actually very proud of it and pay for items almost daily out of my pocket for our training facility.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
41. That still doesn't change the fact that you either obey the university's policies, or you get
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

terminated.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
43. I've come to the conclusion that he ain't no teacher,
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

teachers are supposed to possess logic and common sense, so far, he's shown neither.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
37. then you should do the taxpayers
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jan 2016

That pay you salary the favor of quiting. If it is legal and the students are doing a lawful activity, you should quit or be fired for refusing to do your job.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
47. What is it that you have against us?
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016
then you should do the taxpayers

That pay you salary the favor of quiting.


What did we do to you?

You seem intent on destroying our lives.

And for what?

What would you gain by having faculty fired?





GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
48. Nothing against you, just obey the rules and regulations and you'll be fine,
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

break those rules and regulations and you'll suffer the consequences.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
57. LOL, leave you alone?
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016

How in the world am I interfering in your alleged job?

I'm just a retired Army officer, living my life out in AZ, so, how am I interfering in your alleged job?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
50. I have nothing against you,
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

do the job you get paid, great. Refuse to do it and you should be reprimanded and if that behavior continues, terminated, simple. You should not be paid for not working. The students paid for classes and they should have an instructor that follows the law.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
65. so you ask to be left alone
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jan 2016

Which I did and you then went crying and posting insulting posts about me over in GD. Why does that not surprise me. Next time you tell me to leave you alone, I will not and keep telling the truth. I find it funny you refused to post a link to this thread in the GD thread as it rightfully would have shown the whole truth and obviously you are scared to do it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027531114

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
3. Trump hates the kids...same person who sent his kids to school with private security
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

but your children cannot get any protection.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
9. actually, the federal ban on schools
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jan 2016

was stuck down by SCOTUS 20 years ago as a 10A violation. Trump might know business, and NY divorce and bankruptcy law, but doesn't know squat about civics.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
7. keep gun free zones gun free, trump
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jan 2016

link: Trump has repeatedly said that gun-free zones are a magnet for mentally ill shooters and that the recent mass shootings in Paris and California could have been prevented if more citizens were armed .. Trump said he wants to eliminate gun-free zones at schools... "My first day, it gets signed, okay? There's no more gun-free zones."

Don't understand this reasoning. I think maybe 90% of yearly gun homicides are done where guns are allowed, anyone disagree? maybe even higher like 95%. Like homes, towns, cities, rural areas, all where guns are allowed, with varying state restrictions & proscriptions.
I think 95% or more of suicides done by gun are committed in gun zones, like homes, cities, towns, rural areas, most all where guns are allowed, again with varying restrictions.
Relatively very few gun deaths occur in 'gun free zones' I think, so much I think it's working as best as it realistically could. It's not like eliminating gun free zones would prevent all gun deaths therein overall - perhaps increase the number, gunshot wounds & mishaps as well.

I think next Monday jan 18th, British parliament will discuss whether to ban Donald trump from Britain.

British MPs will debate possibly shutting Trump out of the U.K., it was confirmed, after a petition on the parliament.uk website gathered over 560,000 signatures. Parliament is required to .. which gathers over 100,000 signatures.
Trump took a jab at what he called Britain’s “Muslim problem.” “We have places in London and other places that are so radicalized that the police are afraid for their own lives,” he told MSNBC. “We have to be very smart and very vigilant.”
In its call to ban Trump from Britain’s shores, the petition says: “The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.”
The parliamentary debate, which will take place on January 18, will not necessarily lead to any change in U.K. policy towards Trump. “By scheduling a debate on these petitions, the committee is not expressing a view on whether or not the government should exclude Donald Trump from the U.K.,”... “As with any decision to schedule a petition for debate, it simply means that the committee has decided that the subject should be debated.”


And blimey, a raspberry to PM Cameron: Both Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor George Osborne have said in the past that they do not want to keep Trump out of the UK, though in December the Prime Minister’s office did condemn his proposed ban on Muslims.. http://www.newsweek.com/british-parliament-debate-ban-trump-412113

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
8. Civics, Government, and economics should be required
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jan 2016

in every school and prevent this kind of bullshit. As POTUS, he can't. He can say that he would sign a bill that does that, or make an executive order about federal buildings or reservations ONLY if those bans aren't there by statute.
If he were running for congress he could say "I will introduce a bill".
Put that with his equating marching in a nice uniform at a prep school is the same as military service. He is making life look more like a Simpsons episode.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
22. post script
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

I have to correct one thing

He can say that he would sign a bill that does that, or make an executive order about federal buildings or reservations ONLY if those bans aren't there by statute.
If he were running for congress he could say "I will introduce a bill".

There was a federal law about local schools until SCOTUS struck it down for violating the 10A. Most if not all of the states wrote their own laws, often allowing for law enforcement and school rifle club exceptions. Since they are state laws or local school board decisions, nothing he or any other POTUS can do about it.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
60. States rights
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jan 2016

Lopez v. U.S. (1995) prevents the federal government from making schools gun free, but states and local districts may have gun free policies.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
62. Access control is the answer...why aren't we serious about School security?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 06:58 AM
Jan 2016

It's like we want schools to be easy targets...

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