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here's an article for lols (Original Post) beergood Apr 2016 OP
I don't know if it's that much BS JackInGreen Apr 2016 #1
What kind of gun shows do you go to? gejohnston Apr 2016 #5
Doesn't Ted Nugent safeinOhio Apr 2016 #2
No more than Mike Bloomberg 'proves' that gun controllers are control freaks friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #6
We shouldn't be in the business of giving up rights to be popular. ileus Apr 2016 #3
Not so cut and dry safeinOhio Apr 2016 #4
False equivalence. The practices you mention violate the Fourteenth Amendment... friendly_iconoclast Apr 2016 #7
OK, how about safeinOhio Apr 2016 #8
Impossible. beevul Apr 2016 #9
Possible safeinOhio Apr 2016 #10
Thats easy. beevul Apr 2016 #11
Not any easier safeinOhio Apr 2016 #12
There is no constitutional foundation for your example. beevul Apr 2016 #13
Of coarse there is safeinOhio Apr 2016 #14
Cool story bro. beevul Apr 2016 #15
You don't need the Second Amend to for what you suggest. branford Apr 2016 #17
But I thought it was the Peter Principle! Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #16
im sorry beergood Apr 2016 #18
An old concept from the '60's and '70's DonP Apr 2016 #19
As in the sociological expression, but I'm playing on the expression... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #20

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
1. I don't know if it's that much BS
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 06:22 AM
Apr 2016

I've been and am a gun owner, have had friends both liberal and conservative that have owned and been proud of their collections and skill with them. It's only at a gun show have I heard so many armed people use racial slurs with such vehemence with a good dose of 'this'll show em'. Take it as anecdotal and it might not be your experience, but it's certainly been mine.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
5. What kind of gun shows do you go to?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

I haven't seen anything like that even in the South and California.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
3. We shouldn't be in the business of giving up rights to be popular.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

In fact as progressives we should oppose giving up rights for any reason....always.

safeinOhio

(33,957 posts)
4. Not so cut and dry
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:35 AM
Apr 2016

Unless you also support the right to use religion to not sell flowers and cakes to certain groups of people. So, be careful with "any reason".

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
7. False equivalence. The practices you mention violate the Fourteenth Amendment...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

...and are no more actual 'rights' than the supposed 'right to feel safe' sometimes mooted
at DU by those of the ammophobic persuasion

safeinOhio

(33,957 posts)
10. Possible
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sure someone could say it does and it would go to court. As it only restricts government, what's to stop a local group saying the Constitution requires all people of a certain age be part of the militia......

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
11. Thats easy.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:36 PM
Apr 2016
As it only restricts government, what's to stop a local group saying the Constitution requires all people of a certain age be part of the militia......


The fact that neither amendment 2 in the BOR nor the militia clause in the constitution contain no such authorizations.

Outside that, they can say it all they like, and professional constitutional scholars will correctly claim they're incorrect and the rest of us will point and laugh.

safeinOhio

(33,957 posts)
12. Not any easier
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

than saying religious reasons prevent a public business from serving people they don't like.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
13. There is no constitutional foundation for your example.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

No apples and oranges comparison you might come up with can change that.

safeinOhio

(33,957 posts)
14. Of coarse there is
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

You are just not seeing it.

Asked my lawyer friend and he says it's apples and apples.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
17. You don't need the Second Amend to for what you suggest.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

Conscription has been repeatedly upheld without any reference whatsoever to the Second Amendment.

In fact, the Second Amendment is only a limitation on government, as is much of the Bill of Rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
19. An old concept from the '60's and '70's
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

IIRC, It posited that an individual or organization would rise, until they reached a point of utter incompetence and stay there while they slowly died off.

It could easily be pointed out that that's where gun control arrived several years ago.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
20. As in the sociological expression, but I'm playing on the expression...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

...so it will double as the usual obsession controllers have for Penis®.

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