Gun Control & RKBA

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts) Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:17 AM Apr 2016

Courts rarely notify state of gun permit holder felony convictions

ATLANTA (AP) — Gun owners who are convicted of a felony lose their eligibility for a Georgia carry permit, and the courts must notify the state that this person can't legally carry a firearm anymore.

That's a little-known amendment to Georgia's "guns everywhere" law that is supposed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

But The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has found that metro Atlanta courts almost never file such reports. Fulton County Probate Court has sent two "revocations" to the state since July; DeKalb's Probate Court also has filed two. Statewide, only 21 of 159 counties filed any revocations at all. The AJC also found that, even if such reports were filed to the GBI, that agency has no database or other computer file where the records would be stored.

The "guns everywhere" law, known properly as the 2014 Safe Carry Protection Act, enabled Georgians to take guns into a wide range of new places, including bars, churches and many government buildings. The law was amended last year to add a reporting provision:

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/associated_press/news/national/courts-rarely-notify-state-of-gun-permit-holder-felony-convictions/article_36bf516a-fcc4-11e5-9de5-dba88483b40a.html

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Courts rarely notify state of gun permit holder felony convictions (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2016 OP

Guns and ammo in the hands of civilians is a bad thing. ileus Apr 2016 #1

Yep. linuxman Apr 2016 #4

warsaw uprisings jimmy the one Apr 2016 #8

standing at the defense table and gejohnston Apr 2016 #2

Dept. of Bureaus' Agency of Divisions & Study Groups will schedule a series of meetings to... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #3

Well, maybe if we put the law in capital, boldfaced, and italicized letters it will work better. n/t krispos42 Apr 2016 #5

Homicides up 16-20 % depending on how other factors are controlled for. nt flamin lib Apr 2016 #6

Over what interval? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #7

have you ever noticed the researcher never explains how to control to those factors gejohnston Apr 2016 #9

Homicides are still up 16-29%. nt flamin lib Apr 2016 #10

since when? gejohnston Apr 2016 #11

In Georgia since the 'Guns Everywhere' law was passed. flamin lib Apr 2016 #12

not true gejohnston Apr 2016 #14

Yeah, and homes with swimming pools don't have more drownings than those without. nt flamin lib Apr 2016 #16

Does banning a thing make problems go away? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #17

No but maybe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #18

Citation? sarisataka Apr 2016 #13

Citation please. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2016 #15

ileus

(15,396 posts)

1. Guns and ammo in the hands of civilians is a bad thing.

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:44 AM

Apr 2016

linuxman

(2,337 posts)

4. Yep.

Reply to ileus (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:20 PM

Apr 2016

The Germans found that out in Warsaw.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)

8. warsaw uprisings

Reply to linuxman (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:10 PM

Apr 2016

Guns and ammo in the hands of civilians is a bad thing.

linuxman: The Germans found that out in Warsaw.

Relatively hardly, unless you mean to be taken literally not facetiously. The 1943 uprising didn't cause nazis but about 20 deaths, while the ghetto was pretty much annihilated. Most of the nazis involved were not first rate soldiers, but older vets who were not deemed acceptable for front line duty.
The 1944 uprising was by the polish home army, albeit in good part civilians involved, and had this result:

Although the exact number of casualties remains unknown, it is estimated that about 16,000 members of the Polish resistance were killed and about 6,000 badly wounded. In addition, between 150,000 and 200,000 Polish civilians died, mostly from mass executions. {REPRISALS}
Jews being harboured by Poles were exposed by German house-to-house clearances and mass evictions of entire neighbourhoods. German casualties totalled over 8,000 soldiers killed and missing, and 9,000 wounded.
During the urban combat approximately 25% of Warsaw's buildings were destroyed. Following the surrender of Polish forces, German troops systematically levelled another 35% of the city block by block. Together with earlier damage suffered in the 1939 invasion of Poland and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943, over 85% of the city was destroyed by January 1945, when the course of the events in the Eastern Front forced the Germans to abandon the city.

ghetto uprising 1943: 13,000 Jews died, about half of them burnt alive or suffocated. German casualties are not known, but were not more than 300. It was the largest single revolt by Jews during World War II.
Stroop's report, German forces suffered a total of 110 casualties – 17 dead (of whom 16 were killed in action) and 93 injured –

PS: Hitler actually made it easier for german civilians to possess firearms in waffengesetz ~1938;

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

2. standing at the defense table and

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:27 AM

Apr 2016

hearing the jury foreperson saying "guilty" isn't a big enough hint?

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

3. Dept. of Bureaus' Agency of Divisions & Study Groups will schedule a series of meetings to...

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:21 PM

Apr 2016

...examine and report on the advisability of issueing triplicate carbons vs. photocopies. Final preliminary reports due by 2017. Late 2017.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)

5. Well, maybe if we put the law in capital, boldfaced, and italicized letters it will work better. n/t

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:53 PM

Apr 2016

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)

6. Homicides up 16-20 % depending on how other factors are controlled for. nt

Reply to SecularMotion (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:12 AM

Apr 2016

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)

7. Over what interval?

Reply to flamin lib (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:50 AM

Apr 2016

Is that for a particular state, region? Is that nationally?

Link(s)?

I checked WISQARS from 2012, 2013 and 2014 and don't see that.
http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

9. have you ever noticed the researcher never explains how to control to those factors

Reply to flamin lib (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:47 PM

Apr 2016

or why each is weighted as it is? That is like the RI "study" that created a proxy from different states to fit the narrative.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)

10. Homicides are still up 16-29%. nt

Reply to gejohnston (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:20 PM

Apr 2016

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

11. since when?

Reply to flamin lib (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:16 PM

Apr 2016

perhaps in a few cities like Chicago, but that isn't mean it is true of the country as a whole. Unless the 2015 UCR is out, we really don't know that yet.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)

12. In Georgia since the 'Guns Everywhere' law was passed.

Reply to gejohnston (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:50 PM

Apr 2016

Same as Missouri a year after their 'Guns Everywhere' law passed.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

14. not true

Reply to flamin lib (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:32 PM

Apr 2016

there is no objective evidence to support it. Even if it were true, there is zero evidence that it would be anything but a coincidence. But it didn't happen, which is why the "researcher" had to make up the "control for" various irrelevant factors and never explains how the controls work.