Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumUPDATE: Elderly Man Defends Himself in Home Invasion, 1 Person Dead
Fairmont police have identified the three people involved in Tuesday morning's deadly home invasion on the 700 block of Gaston Avenue.
Upon arriving at a residence, police said they found a man dressed in black lying in the road with a gunshot wound to his head/neck. He has been identified as Larry Shaver, 28, of Fairmont. Shaver was later pronounced dead at the scene.
They also found another man shot in the lower torso, across the street. He has been identified as John Grossklaus, 28, of Fairmont.
An 80-year-old man living in the residence said Shaver, Grossklaus and a woman attempted to rob him after the woman came to his door, asking to use his phone for an emergency, according to a press release from the Fairmont Police Department. When he let her in, two men dressed in dark clothes entered the home, showed what appeared to be a handgun, and demanded items from the victim.
Should the homeowner have taken on the three assailants bare-handed for the good of society?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)you really do have to shoot to kill or cause such harm as to immobilize the home invaders. An elderly person certainly can't take on three people - even if they're wounded.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:11 AM - Edit history (1)
no. He defended himself against those who had no right to do what they did. Threaten to rob him while brandishing a deadly weapon. If he had been unarmed, these vicious animals would have more than likely ended this gentlemans life since life is not respected by these types. I would do the same.
needledriver
(836 posts)Because it is possible for Innocent Children to gain access to poorly secured firearms, elderly people do not have the right to use firearms to defend themselves because the lives of Innocent Children are automatically more valuable than the lives of elderly people because reasons.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)They don't have the strength to fight a younger person. So they are more likely to kill you.
If thenstate has felony murder laws, there is a strong likelihood the survivors will be Warehoused in the Obsolete Surplus Dept.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)After all, his life isn't as important as some others and his gun puts people entirely unrelated and unknown to him in danger:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=188993
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Because you know by the law of large numbers, it's true in the aggregate (but not individual situations of course, every one is different) so you have to straw man that I said it's better in all cases.
And in any case, while this happened, there were 2 fatal accidents by gun, 33 murders by gun, and 67 suicides by gun.
But keep it up, you guys kill yourselves faster than anyone else.
beevul
(12,194 posts)How many DGUs?
Right. Because the misuse of less than .1 percent of all guns, by less than .1 percent of the people that own them, equates to "you guys".
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)counts as a DGU in your opinion.
Now, for serious we don't know how many DGUs there are. There's never been an open, falsifiable study on this, especially one that also controls for instances where the criminal is scared off even in the absence of a gun.
And yes, you guys are causing deaths. And I know most of you have likely had a negligent discharge or at least a close call to one. But it's alright.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Its not nice to attribute to others, sentiments which they have not expressed, like you just did. Disingenuous much?
What does a criminal scared off where there is no gun, have to do with DGUs where there IS a gun?
Who "you guys"?
You are assuming facts not in evidence.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)assertive citizens, rather than the fact that assertive citizens have guns.
Another DGU. Most gun nuts are compensating and just want to push people around. Glad the biker was having none of it
beevul
(12,194 posts)Says who? You? In America, the only legitimate reason that matters for the law abiding is "because I decided I'm going to have a gun".
That must just burn you up.
You count that as a DGU?
Yet anti-gun bullies are the ones trying to dictate the actions of tens of millions of people, not "gun nuts".
If "push people around" is the metric, the anti-gun bullies have the 'gun nuts' beat hands down, since anti-gunners are about as pushy a bunch as anyone can find.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)You count that as a DGU?
No, but most firearms enthusiasts do.
Yet anti-gun bullies are the ones trying to dictate the actions of tens of millions of people, not "gun nuts".
If "push people around" is the metric, the anti-gun bullies have the 'gun nuts' beat hands down, since anti-gunners are about as pushy a bunch as anyone can find.
Lack of access to a firearm is not pushing someone around. Sticking a gun in their face is. Or secretly fantasizing about wanting to shoot that shitty driver in traffic, the boss who gave you a bad review, or that store clerk who wouldn't give you a refund.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Color me shocked.
Surrrrre. Sure they do.
Trying to take away the access from the current 300+million people that have it is.
Its the textbook definition.
Get back to me when this becomes the rule, rather than the noteworthy exceptional outlier that everyone here including you knows it that is.
More outliers.
That all you got?
Unoriginal, and unimpressive.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)In most DGUs there are no shots fired.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)What is a "legitimate reason to have guns"? I mean, other than the fact that the Constitution prohibits the government from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)There's nothing in the Constitution to support that idea.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)e of their (or your) driving.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)...advocate that to which you're opposed. There are already laws against such behavior.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)FFS, are there any more vacuous gun-controller cliche's you'd like to trot out?
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)There has got to be an underlying reason why a female would shoot competition.
You can share with the group, we don't judge.
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)... then I'll need your bank account number and password so I can deposit a check for the $10 million that my uncle in Nigeria left me in his will. You can have 10%. I promise.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:20 AM - Edit history (1)
don't need gun control.
sarisataka
(20,992 posts)willing to reject all DGU studies made by credentialed social scientists because the studies do not meet a ridiculous personal standard.
Yet will put out accusations of mass negligence based nothing more than on fantasy and prejudice.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Another "sincere" and "better than us" gun control "supporter" that gets their facts from bumper stickers and Everytown press releases and doesn't really do anything in the real world in support of their so called "beliefs".
Has been asked several times and always runs away, or changes the subject.
In a week or two the novelty of "teaching those stupid gun nutz a lesson" and patting themselves on the back will wear off and they'll go back to the primary wars.
In the meantime 3 more states are about to go constitutional carry, probably to celebrate the poster's ignorance of facts and their dedication to their "all talk and no action" strategy.
And violent crime will continue to drop.
But please, continue getting depressed and killing yourselves. Happens far more often than you will ever need to point it at someone else.
And this is coming from someone who has struggled with depression. Get help, mental illness is not fun.
DonP
(6,185 posts)You see the people here that support the 2nd amendment, actually do things to show that support. You don't see them wishing or hoping for gun control people to die horribly. But we hear it from so called "sympathetic and caring" gun control supporters pretty regularly.
On the other hand, all you do is post angry screeds online and whine about it.
That might account for the fact that for over a decade gun control hasn't achieved jack or shit, even with Bloomberg's million$ backing you.
3 more states going constitutional carry this month! Keep up that good gun control work.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Naturally, they are lashing out...
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)the higher ones.
Or any study that uses unfalsifiable data.
sarisataka
(20,992 posts)Yet you assert as fact the neglligent, homicidal and suicidal behavior of gun owners based on no data or study. For those "facts" your bias is all the evidence you need.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Most? How do you know this?
Marengo
(3,477 posts)to allow such a prime example of your intelligence to slip into obscurity.