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WECT reported that Clarissa Gagum, 24, was arrested Thursday in connection to an incident at the FU WANGZ restaurant in Wilmington.
The suspect is accused of walking into the restaurant and ordering bone-in chicken wings.
Authorities said when she received boneless wings, she started arguing with the clerk and went to her car to get a gun.
http://myfox8.com/2016/04/29/nc-woman-accused-of-pulling-gun-at-restaurant-over-wrong-chicken-wings/
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sakabatou
(42,945 posts)
beergood
(470 posts)if you replied with 'oro'
So you're a fan too?
beergood
(470 posts)i cos played as him and crono https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrono_Trigger for san diego comic con.
sakabatou
(42,945 posts)My girlfriend says I should cosplay Aizen.
beergood
(470 posts)its fun.
i need to watch bleach, only saw a couple of episodes when i used to watch adult swim at my friends place.
sakabatou
(42,945 posts)I've seen all of Bleach.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)sarisataka
(20,887 posts)
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)it is very frustrating to get the wrong wings 
I can't tell you the number of times I've received the wrong order of something and being a good guy, I went and got my gun to fix the problem
stone space
(6,498 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:13 AM - Edit history (1)
And, no.
I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life.
She's got a gun!
In a restaurant!
Holy shit!
I'm outta' there!
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)pull a Dine and Ditch even if the person was no threat to you. What an upstanding citizen.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Get a service and not pay for it, theft
pintobean
(18,101 posts)On Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Sounds like a petty thief to me
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> Sounds like a petty thief to me
Do not call your fellow posters "petty thieves".
That's an unprovoked personal insult.
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sarisataka
(20,887 posts)
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Looks like he lost on his alert.
stone space
(6,498 posts)pull a Dine and Ditch even if the person was no threat to you. What an upstanding citizen.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)What do you do when you see a rifle in the gun rack of a pickup truck?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Prove it.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)I made no such claim.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I made no such claim.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)To the bottom of the page.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.
You said "somebody" with a gun, to which I replied, "even if they are no threat?"
stone space
(6,498 posts)First, the OP article, to which I directly responded.
WILMINGTON, N.C. – A North Carolina woman faces charges after she allegedly pulled a gun at a restaurant over a wrong order of chicken wings.
WECT reported that Clarissa Gagum, 24, was arrested Thursday in connection to an incident at the FU WANGZ restaurant in Wilmington.
The suspect is accused of walking into the restaurant and ordering bone-in chicken wings.
Authorities said when she received boneless wings, she started arguing with the clerk and went to her car to get a gun.
She returned to the restaurant and started waving the gun in the air, according to WECT. Police found her outside the restaurant with the gun.
Gagum faces two counts of assault by pointing a gun and injury to personal property. She was jailed under a $30,000 bond.
Her husband faces a charge of resisting arrest and was jailed under a $500 bond.
My response to the article in the OP was this:
If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.
And, no.
I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life.
She's got a gun!
In a restaurant!
Holy shit!
I'm outta' there!
Your response to my post was this blatant lie, claiming that not only would I be a thief simply for running for my life, but also claiming that her gun posed no threat:
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...you're as clear as mud. You didn't identify the subject of the OP as someone you'd run from, rather you said if you saw "somebody" with a gun, that you'd "run for your life". Why would you run for your life if you saw "somebody" with a gun? What would you do if you saw a rifle in the gun rack of a pickup truck?
stone space
(6,498 posts)
And, no.
I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life.
She's got a gun!
In a restaurant!
Holy shit!
I'm outta' there!
Who did you think I was talking about?
Veronica Dunnachie?
Veronica Dunnachie wasn't even mentioned in the OP article.
(May her victims rest in peace.)
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...or simply wish to avoid giving a straight answer, let's rephrase the question: If you saw some person, any person, in a restaurant with a firearm, would you "run for your life"? If so, why? What would you do if you saw someone with a rifle in the gun rack of their pickup?
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)He won't answer it.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)I have no idea what she's going to do so I'm getting the hell out of there if I can
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...no wonder nobody takes you guys seriously, you are too busy cracking jokes 
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...and I'll walk in with a rifle slung over my shoulder while you are waiting for the check.
What a way to save money!
stone space
(6,498 posts) CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I don't carry rifles.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And deny your server a paycheck who works their ass off for much less pay than you make off the public teet
stone space
(6,498 posts)And deny your server a paycheck who works their ass off for much less pay than you make off the public teet
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That you would leave without paying for the services provided. That helps to pay that low paid server his or her wages. Too bad since you probably make many more times their hourly wage. 
stone space
(6,498 posts)There is no need to risk ones life just in order to do it during an emergency situation.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)To post you would go back to pay but you did make sure you posted you would leave without paying. Nice try to walk it back but you have a history of several threads where you stated you would walk ouy without paying and never once until now that you are being called out once again do you come up with this little gem.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I put my trust in the DU members that read your own words.
I guess you could self delete or edit to try and hide them. I would be embarrassed to post that I would leave without paying for a service provided and stiffing the aait staff of some of the pay they work so hard for.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I just posted that in my opinion, leaving without paying for services renderedrendered is theft and if someone did that in my opinion they would be a common thief. If the shoe fits....
stone space
(6,498 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)So what gives you the right then?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)
stone space
(6,498 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:50 PM - Edit history (1)
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)Please rephrase.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...I would go outside.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I think your cursor needs to be sighted in.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Now I see the USAF logo!
I see why you used that term.
For those reading this...
It comes from an old story about how the 'top' NCO got the first (nicest) shirt in the shipment during WWII, I believe.
Thank you.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)before switching to the AF for twenty. My AF TI did basically the same thing. He had a CIB from Vietnam and reminded me a lot of the drill sergeants I had at Ft Sill.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Ever been to Medicine Park?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I was there mostly for basic and AIT. I didn't get out much. I do remember my training company was First Battalion in the WW2 era buildings. Being young and dumb, I do remember the GI trap bars on "the strip".
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...really modern buildings for basic.
The ground floor (behind the offices, facing the back) is a sheltered drill deck open on the sides.
Great place to hold formation.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)
beevul
(12,194 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)This post is getting confusing.
beevul
(12,194 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)
Warpy
(113,130 posts)I've lived on tips and will never stiff a wait person.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)In many posts and gets mad when you call him what he would be, a common thief.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)3. If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.
Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:13 AM - Edit history (1)
And, no. I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life. She's got a gun! In a restaurant! Holy shit!
I'm outta' there!"
Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Do you have anything besides lies and threats?
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Because that is exactly what is going to happen if you run from the restaurant without paying. Nothing I posted is a lie or threat.
"Star Member stone space (4,818 posts)
3. If I see somebody with a gun in a resturaunt, I'm leaving in a big hurry.
Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:13 AM - Edit history (1)
And, no. I'm not taking time out to pay the check right there while I'm running for my life. She's got a gun! In a restaurant! Holy shit!
I'm outta' there!"
Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)What I posted is exactly what is going to happen to you. If you leave without paying unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat (meaning under the applicable state law, not what you think) that police officer is going to handcuff you, place you under arrest, search you and then place you in the back seat of a patrol car where you will proceed to the police station and charged with a crime.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He brags how he will leave without paying, even if the firearm is slung or holstered.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)even when we link to his very words. It can't be easy being a paranoid, lying potential thief when going to a restaurant.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Unsolicited messages to me. I asked him to stop several times. He called me a liar in a thread so I posted them for all to see. He then went to Skinner to complain but he said, too bad, you wrote them, lol!
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But he does tend to be extreme in his insults and has been on several vacations for them.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
edbermac
(16,107 posts)On Sun May 1, 2016, 01:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Why do Zimmerman supporters like you feel the need to threaten folks who run from your guns?
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CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)"Unless you can convince the police officer that the person with the gun was a legitimate threat"
I someone uses deadly force, no matter the circumstances, they are going for a (not very friendly) ride.
It will be handled as a criminal investigation until the DA decides not to seek a grand jury indictment.
Or the grand jury decides not to indict.
Or the jury finds the defendant 'not guilty.'
You NEVER try to convince a police officer of ANYTHING.
Anyone who took Cop TV Show 101 could tell you that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=191070
stone space
(6,498 posts)Post #27.
Now stop lying about me.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And the jury found my words to be accurate, sorry.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Timing isn't as important to me as keeping safe in an emergency situation.
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)Timing isn't as important to me as keeping safe in an emergency situation.
The extent to which it is an "emergency" depends on what is being done with the gun. It will be incumbent on you to prove the existence of the emergency if you wish to avoid prosecution for leaving the restaurant without paying.
"I was going to come back and pay later" is not generally accepted as an excuse for dine-and-dash, so much will depend on whether the staff and other patrons of the restaurant will verify the emergency.
stone space
(6,498 posts)The extent to which it is an "emergency" depends on what is being done with the gun. It will be incumbent on you to prove the existence of the emergency if you wish to avoid prosecution for leaving the restaurant without paying.
"I was going to come back and pay later" is not generally accepted as an excuse for dine-and-dash, so much will depend on whether the staff and other patrons of the restaurant will verify the emergency.
You can support this sort of behavior if you want.
But I am under no obligation to risk my life just because right wing asshole on the internet supports this sort of bullshit.
WECT reported that Clarissa Gagum, 24, was arrested Thursday in connection to an incident at the FU WANGZ restaurant in Wilmington.
The suspect is accused of walking into the restaurant and ordering bone-in chicken wings.
Authorities said when she received boneless wings, she started arguing with the clerk and went to her car to get a gun.
She returned to the restaurant and started waving the gun in the air, according to WECT. Police found her outside the restaurant with the gun.
Gagum faces two counts of assault by pointing a gun and injury to personal property. She was jailed under a $30,000 bond.
Her husband faces a charge of resisting arrest and was jailed under a $500 bond.
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)... are you calling me a "right wing asshole"?
Secondly, I don't support this woman's behavior at all. She deserves to be charged for it. Furthermore, no one on this thread has supported it.
I have repeatedly asked you to clarify what exactly you would consider an "emergency." Originally, you suggested that merely seeing a gun in public place would qualify. Since you live in a state that allows open carry with a permit, this could embroil you in some sticky situations, like unwarranted 911 calls and dine-and-dash charges in restaurants. So I'm asking you once more to clarify what constitutes a firearms "emergency" in your mind?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Knock off the bullying.
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)Nor am I "bullying" you. I simply asked you a question. Would you like to answer it?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...a simple question is "bullying", apparently.
Chemisse
(30,997 posts)So the children are safe.
good one
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,879 posts)1. Class discussions cause arguments.
2. Guns end arguments.
I don't see any problem, do you?
DonP
(6,185 posts)Isn't that the same "argument" we heard over concealed carry in general for all 50 states?
We were assured that there would be shootings over parking spaces, road rage incidents would skyrocket, people would shoot it out in the produce departments.
Yet ... none of that ever seems come to pass and the violent crime rate continues to reach record lows, according to the FBI.
Some people never get tired of being wrong and looking out of touch with reality.
WhiteTara
(30,139 posts)in a pew. So, parking places wouldn't be a stretch.
DonP
(6,185 posts)I didn't see that in any of the reports so far.
Or in your mind there is no difference between a law abiding citizen and a criminal with a gun?
How about some examples of Colorado students with permits committing crimes? Must be a lot after 12 years, right?
WhiteTara
(30,139 posts)In interviews with police, witnesses watched Storms walk over to Braxton, show him a badge and motion to a handgun under his shirt. The badge, police said, was for his concealed carry permit. Braxton exchanged words with Storms before punching him in the jaw. Storms then pulled out his gun and fired two shots, according to witnesses.
Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Worshiper-Charged-With-Manslaughter-in-Deadly-Church-Shooting-in-Montgomery-County-377465671.html#ixzz47LfwXtMk
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procon
(15,805 posts)Guns are powerful symbols of authority and violence in our civilization. People are intimidated and frightened by guns in unexpected public places. Guns make most people feel threatened and vulnerable. You might discount the psychological and emotional impact that guns have on some people. There are well used rationales that pop up in defence of openly displaying guns in public, and people are never an important consideration. Perhaps it gives you some degree of satisfaction to see how strangers respond when you wield that implied lethal power and dominate the scene, but you have no idea the problems you and your guns leave behind.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Now what does your post have to do with concealed carry, where no one knows you are carrying a gun?
How intimidating is something you don't know is there?
But stick around, I'm sure they'll be an open carry thread you can psychoanalyze via remote control for everyone shortly.
procon
(15,805 posts)that a customer "pulled a gun at a restaurant". Is that code, I don't know, is that what you consider concealed? Guns always seems to be accompanied by more excuses and more insults in search of validation. I don't care about you or anyone else who brings a gun to a public setting. I do care about the people I love who have been -- and still are -- traumatised by guns because some thoughtless, self centered gun bully caused them to relive their terrors.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And firearms conceeled carry training. Other states have been doing that fot many years.
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)1. Class discussions cause arguments.
2. Guns end arguments.
I don't see any problem, do you?
I've been teaching for 35 years. I've experienced lots of arguments arising from class discussions. I've never seen one -- not one -- that escalated to physical violence.
So no, I don't see any problem.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)along with aborton rights, gay rights, the War on Drugs®, and dirty movies. In one class, two police officers brought in several firearms to explain the differences as they related to the law; two examples were full-auto, including one owned at one time by LBJ. We were a civilized lot. No fights broke out, although I got one complaint about using the movie The Exorcist as an example of how reality can systematically break down in favor of religious practices and the super natural.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)to use them over STUPID things. 
I also spent EIGHT YEARS trying to get pregnant, and hand to heaven, there was one hormonal moment when I wanted to behave EXTREMELY inappropriately because the staff at a pizza place screwed up the order and then wouldn't come to the counter where they could see me patiently standing because they were talking about a new (hair) blow dryer.
No guns in my house. 
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....has ever not respected a person who decides firearms ownership is not for them.
It is a huge responsibility.
If they do show a lack of respect for your position, I disagree with them entirely.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)response in a protected group - I clicked from Greatest Page.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)This group allows and actually invites all viewponts.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Every law abiding opinion is welcome as far as I am concerned.
You are welcome anytime.
SecularMotion
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Please quit playing host, maybe you should spend time hosting your own group. I know, not enough traffic to bother
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)However this is his favorite grouo with close to 1000 Google Drive by posts that he refuses to to discuss or respond to. Sometimes he thinks he is the host here and tries to intimidate posters.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I am banned from the 'other' group.
No matter, it's a moonscape over there anyway.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And your block is normal, click the "about this group" button at the top of both groups. That is why the otber group is known as castle bansalot. You right on how incredibly busy it is over there.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)He's a disruptive poster who has been blocked from at least 4 groups on DU.
A bad egg.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)When true facts are pointed out.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)
but I didn't want the post to be hidden.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)There is an amnesty now so you can insult to your hearts content. As you know, I tend not to alert so I can show who is doing the insulting and leave those posts open for all to see.
Have a great one
beergood
(470 posts)appears to be the only group that doesn't ban people just because they have a different opinion.
i would like to thank the group host/s and other posters for being so open minded.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)........because this thread wouldn't exist.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Either forgets where he is or actually thinks he is a host here.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)The exception is repeated over and over with the dishonest/infantile hope that it will be perceived as the norm.
GreydeeThos
(958 posts)The cook could come up with a can of spray oven cleaner to dish out discipline and end the threat in no thyme.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)that was punny
beardown
(363 posts)Seriously, you are much more likely to get a bad case of food poisoning in a restaurant than get shot.
If you are going to run out of a restaurant because of the threat of seeing a gun, why would you even go into a restaurant and eat and expose yourself to many magnitudes of likely harm to your body by food poisoning?
And don't think that "it's just food poisoning". Recent studies have shown that many thousands of Americans a year suffer years long, if not life long, problems from restaurant food poisoning. It can impact your kidneys and other organs and permanently degrade your health and well being.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Injury is inflicted in a number of ways:
Firstly, the projectile crushes structures along its track, similar to other forms of penetrating injury. Temporary cavitation causes shearing and compression, sometimes tearing structures (as with solid abdominal viscera) or stretching inelastic tissue (the brain is particularly susceptible), analogous to blunt trauma. As tissues recoil and hot gases dissipate, soft tissue collapses inwards with the permanent cavity being the resultant defect.[2] Bullets which display greater yaw will be associated with increased temporary cavitation.
Secondly, kinetic energy transfer occurs during retardation of the bullet and this may cause damage outside the tract. Factors influencing the efficiency of kinetic energy transfer include:
Kinetic energy of a body which is proportional to mass and velocity.
Projectile's deformation and fragmentation.
Entrance profile and path travelled through the body.
Biological characteristics of the transit tissues.
http://patient.info/doctor/gunshot-injuries
beardown
(363 posts)If seeing a gun in a restaurant is enough of a threat to make you leave then the real threat of getting food poisoning should prevent you from even entering the restaurant in the first place, just from a numbers perspective. In 2011, CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans get sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases. These are only cases that reach the CDC and other recent studies estimate 1 in 4 Americans a year get food poisoning and deaths from food poisoning that occur up to 12 months after being infected are missed in the estimates.
It's like when people are asked to name the most dangerous animals to people. Lion. Shark. Wolf. Meanwhile, mosquitoes kill hundreds of times as many people as all major predators. Guns are visible. The Salmonella and Campylobacter on that slime burger, not so much.
Now perceived danger is different. I've known folks that won't wear a seat-belt because they don't want to be trapped in a car if it falls into a river or lake. What seems a reasonable response to a threat to one person is not so reasonable to another.
This woman was not just carrying a gun, she was waving it around. Not as bad as waving around the head of the waiter she just cut off and worse than waving around a bag of McNuggets.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)What about the mysterious....
...sticky stuff...
....in the 10 year old carpeting.
Nasty.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I'd leave immediately if somebody came into a restaurant and started waving their gun all around like that.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...I would get the heck out and use my car for cover.
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)... you would leave if you even saw a gun. That's what you said upthread. Now it's "waving their gun all around." Which is it?
stone space
(6,498 posts) Straw Man
(6,760 posts)I was referring directly to a general statement you made in your post. You did not refer to the article in that post.
This was your post before you edited it:
So which is it? Do you run if you see a gun period, or only if someone is waving it around?
stone space
(6,498 posts)This is really getting tedious.
We all know what article we are discussing here.
The link is in the OP.
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)I'm now asking you to clarify the content of your response. You are refusing. That's what's tedious.
stone space
(6,498 posts)I think that's pretty clear.
You can accept that or not.
Your choice.
But it won't change my actions.
I'm running.
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)Under what conditions would you run for your life? If you saw a gun on someone's belt? I'm asking you to clarify. There nothing for me to "accept" until you answer the question.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Do I have to read it for you?
Straw Man
(6,760 posts)You said this:
I asked you if this means any gun in a restaurant, including one on somebody's belt, simply being carried, not waved around.
This is not in reference to the situation described in the OP. I asked you a simple, direct question about a statement you made. You seem to be unable to answer it, but are instead engaging in repeated and nonsensical demands that I "read the OP."
I've read it. I asked you a question that is not directly related to it or to the specific situation it describes. I don't think that's particularly difficult to understand. It is a question about your statement above.
Now, would you care to answer it?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Last edited Sun May 1, 2016, 09:45 AM - Edit history (2)
He has never used this qualifier. He has said he would skip out if he saw a weapon period, holstered or slung. He has also stated he would refuse to teach his class if a concealed carry weapon was present by a licensed person if it was legal in his state. He never could answer how he would know and he would encourage others to shut down that department even if it was legal and they were told to teach the courses they were hired and being paid for. He says we threaten him when we say he should then be fired.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7250732
Note to jury
1. I was not specific in what job the poster has
2. I will find the thread and post your exact quotes. For anyone, not just you, to refuse to do a job they are being paid to do but refusing to do over a legal activity, that person should be sanctioned and if that person continues to fail to perform as paid, yes fired for cause. That is not a threat directed at you personally.
stone space
(6,498 posts)My real world employment is not an issue.
Knock it off.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I will find the thread and post your exact quotes. For anyone, not just you, to refuse to do a job they are being paid to do but refusing to do over a legal activity, that person should be sanctioned and if that person continues to fail to perform as oaid, yes fires for cause. That is not a threat.
here is at least one
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7250732
stone space
(6,498 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)you do know my little "my posts" button lights up when I get a response. That is not stalking.
Insults like that make you look very childish sir.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I just pointed out you have used that in other threads. If you had not brought up your job, it would not be an issue. You have in other threads and I just pointed that out. I did not say what you do or where. I also know that from other threads also. I was being very general for a reason and I think that is fair.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...the third person narrative...
"If an employee does not perform his/her job...."
Instead of using the second person 'you.'
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)...that is a woman after my own heart, wings are something you don't mess up, I hope the cops were nice enough to let her finish them before taking her in.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Are correct going forward!
stone space
(6,498 posts)Are correct going forward!
Why would you expect mistakes never to be made again?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts) stone space
(6,498 posts)Are correct going forward!
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Just weird
stone space
(6,498 posts)That's why I asked you.
What you said didn't make any sense to me, either.
I meant your post was weird.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Yes it is call PTSD, your brain has a built in, never gonna do that again switch.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Has there been research about how PTSD enhances worker productivity?
I would think that PTSD could just as easily have the opposite effect, making it more difficult for a worker to perform her job duties.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)This has a bit of sarcasm to it. I will never be bitten by a dog in the face again, but I also may be overly cautious while dealing with them. PTSD has many issues with it, flash backs are not fun, so it is not a good thing for work at all...but the person will not get the order wrong as much...they may just quit.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)...I just got the image of the PTSD that this poor cashier will have from this point on. It is very wrong, but also very true that they may be the most attentive cashier or waiter in history going forward. I picked up a chocolate lab once for a vet and got bit in the face...I am way more cautious about bogs now than most people I know...I still love them, but sure as hell don't trust them.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)To Long Gun Open Carry in a Restaurant scenario.
I do not support...
....long gun open carry at all.
Except in the woods, or in a small town adjoining hunting lands. Such as my town.
I honestly do not think that being uncomfortable about the photo of the two yahoos in Burger King is unreasonable.
(I'm not sure if the photo is in this thread somewhere, but I am sure you have seen it recently.)
The photo did make me feel like thinking through the scenario, as good LEOs or military are trained to do.
I came up with - finding the manager and asking for an opinion. After my family goes to sit in the car.
My involvement would be - to call 911 if requested and stand fast for the police response.
If the manager was cool with the guns - I would ask for takeout and finish my meal at home.
I believe that these scenarios are cultural - some places do, some places don't.
If I were on the road and happened into a long gun open carry friendly region - I would have to rethink my reaction, just try to stick to places that are more upscale, perhaps, even if it costs more. People in suits and dresses usually do not carry rifles.
Where I am from, the 'rifle in a restaurant' scenario is no go.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)As open carry of handguns was/is illegal. However it is legal to open carry long guns and they were being used as a protest.
Other than that, others that open carry long guns is just plain idiotic and actually backfires on the open carry movement. I do not favor open carry of any weapon but I can see it in a hot climate as it can be very difficult to properly conceal.
As far as a rifle at burger king scenario. It would be determined by each situation. Slung and behind back, magazine inserted, how is the person acting. In most cases, I do not think I would not leave or call 911 unless there was a threat beyond just a weapon.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Agreed.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)little lumps of deep fried chicken but not sure if that's worth pulling a gun
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...they are just mystery meat.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)One sous chef always served bone-in cat fish, bringing it to the table within a minute of frying and gently pulling the meat off the bone in one motion. He did a cross-cut just forward of the tail before cooking. Just after cooking the cut serves as the "lever" point for a fork which easily tugs off the meat! Great bone-in flavor without getting speared in the throat.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)steak might be an exception but anything else, it should be law