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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:01 AM May 2016

Man whose gun discharged at swim lesson faces misdemeanor

A Charleston man is charged with a misdemeanor after his gun discharged during a children’s swim lesson session at the University of Charleston Friday evening.

Lloyd Simms, 41, turned himself in to the Charleston Police Department Saturday morning, said Chief of Detectives Steve Cooper.

Jackie Kay, of Charleston, whose 17-year-old daughter was giving the lesson, said the incident happened at the Gorman PE Building on the UC campus during a swim lesson. Kay’s daughter was in the pool with several children while parents were around the pool watching.

“This man was sitting not two feet away and his gun went off,” Kay said. “She said he had a huge hole in his pocket.

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20160430/man-whose-gun-discharged-at-swim-lesson-faces-misdemeanor
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Man whose gun discharged at swim lesson faces misdemeanor (Original Post) SecularMotion May 2016 OP
I want everyone who's gun "accidently" discharges or gets into the hand of a child arrested.... marble falls May 2016 #1
How is it "good news" that a gun went off at all? vkkv May 2016 #5
Uhhh, that this is one of those rare occassions some bystander wasn't shot? To me that was GOOD news marble falls May 2016 #9
Plaxico and some other info discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #11
Plaxico... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #13
Equal justice. Straw Man May 2016 #37
what federal crime? gejohnston May 2016 #38
Proper holster... ileus May 2016 #2
Perhaps he was carrying.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #17
I'm not a gun guy, so someone explain it to me: Orrex May 2016 #3
Exactly. vkkv May 2016 #6
"Band HAND GUNS NOW!!" What are you doing to achieve your goal, aside from keyboard use? friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #12
Band HAND GUNS NOW!! CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #14
They do, but the smart ones will notice that the gun prohibitionists aren't nearly as active... friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #16
They tend to..... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #19
So who are the nutjobs that are killing people with handguns? vkkv May 2016 #25
Mostly CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #26
There are a LOT of bad guys but THE ONLY bad guys killing people WITH HANDGUNS vkkv May 2016 #27
Are you shouting at the guy standing behind me??? CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #28
You still didn't get it. Are you dense? vkkv May 2016 #29
It must be the rain today... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #30
RSO cert - Got one, thank you anyway. vkkv May 2016 #31
Excellent. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #32
I vote. I've written letters to Congressmen... you? vkkv May 2016 #18
Do you go to legislative and municipal hearings? Donate to organizations that represent you views? friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #22
I count three things.. and none of the gun owners at the range I go to do any vkkv May 2016 #24
There are ca. 80 million gun owners in the US- *that* is the group I mean friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #39
it doesn't. gejohnston May 2016 #8
According to the local news linked report, the gun went off while in his back pants pocket.. vkkv May 2016 #21
A gun in a pocket without a proper holster ManiacJoe May 2016 #40
A gun discharges when the trigger is pulled. ileus May 2016 #35
I don't consider myself a violent person packman May 2016 #4
You don't consider yourself a violent person... theatre goon May 2016 #7
Some of the gun control tribe are bloodthirsty- posts like that can be seen regularly friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #10
"I hope all gun people get killed...." CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #15
There's a long thread dedicated to preserving utterances like that: friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #20
The gun owner was trying for a Darwin Award.. but failed at that, too.. nt vkkv May 2016 #23
So close to helping the gene pool underpants May 2016 #34
He was just practicing starting a race underpants May 2016 #33
LOL...that's funny. Kang Colby May 2016 #36

marble falls

(61,994 posts)
1. I want everyone who's gun "accidently" discharges or gets into the hand of a child arrested....
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:11 AM
May 2016

this was good news that could have been very bad news.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
5. How is it "good news" that a gun went off at all?
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

He should be charged at the level of a Federal Crime. Period.

Lucky for him he wasn't black... Where is equal justice?

See::

New York (CNN) -- Former NFL wide receiver Plaxico Burress was released from a New York prison Monday after serving 20 months on a weapons charge stemming from a shooting incident (accidental discharge) at a nightclub.

The former New York Giants player accidentally shot himself in the leg with a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol he was carrying in his waistband. The incident occurred in November 2008, in the VIP area of the Latin Quarter nightclub in Manhattan.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Plaxico shot himself in the leg - that should be punishment enough, right? Nope. 20 months in prison.

marble falls

(61,994 posts)
9. Uhhh, that this is one of those rare occassions some bystander wasn't shot? To me that was GOOD news
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:48 PM
May 2016

how many mothers and siblings have been shot by children lately? A lot and way too many. Just in case it raises a question: ONE is too damn many.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
11. Plaxico and some other info
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

Plaxico's charges were from New York State which had/has jurisdiction. Any charges regarding accidental or negligent firing of a gun would be state based charges unless those incidents take place on federal land or on or within a federally operated facility. The levels of offenses are felony, misdemeanor and summary.

Federal offenses generally have relevance to actions over which the federal government has jurisdiction. Kidnapping becomes a federal offense if interstate activity is involved. Mail fraud is always a federal offense as the US Post Office is under federal jurisdiction.

Most states have laws for negligence with guns and this guy should get his day in court.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
13. Plaxico...
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

....did not have a license to carry in the jurisdiction in which he was arrested.

New York.

Major problem.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
37. Equal justice.
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016
Lucky for him he wasn't black... Where is equal justice?

See::

New York (CNN) -- Former NFL wide receiver Plaxico Burress was released from a New York prison Monday after serving 20 months on a weapons charge stemming from a shooting incident (accidental discharge) at a nightclub.

The former New York Giants player accidentally shot himself in the leg with a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol he was carrying in his waistband. The incident occurred in November 2008, in the VIP area of the Latin Quarter nightclub in Manhattan.

~~~~~~~~~~~
Plaxico shot himself in the leg - that should be punishment enough, right? Nope. 20 months in prison.

The 20-month sentence that Plaxico Burress received was the result of a plea bargain for illegal possession of a handgun in New York City, possibly the most restrictive jurisdiction in the nation when it comes to firearms. The minimum is supposed to be 3 1/2 years. The incident wasn't even reported to police at first; in fact, the hospital colluded by not reporting the gunshot wound as they are required to do by law. When word of the incident leaked out, Burress was arrested and prosecuted at the insistence of Mayor Michael "Stop-and-Frisk" Bloomberg, the champion of gun controllers everywhere and bankroller of "Everytown for Gun Safety."

That's justice for you.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
38. what federal crime?
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

unless he was a prohibited person. The federal law you are thinking of applied only to K-12 and was struck down over twenty years ago because it violated the tenth amendment.
I didn't see race mentioned, but we are much less of a racist society and more of a classist society, as the Ray Rice and Shaneen Allen cases shows. Or at least that one New Jersey DA, since it was he same guy.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
17. Perhaps he was carrying....
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

....a Glock in the 'nutzak' they sew into the front of surfboard shorts.

It slipped due to plenty of extra space.

And he grabbed for it as it fell.

BOOM.

Orrex

(64,010 posts)
3. I'm not a gun guy, so someone explain it to me:
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:57 AM
May 2016

How does a gun discharge? I was under the impression that guns are innocent and harmless machines that only inflict harm when fired by bad people (who aren't prevented from doing so by good people with guns).

Can it be that a gun is capable of discharging on its own? Wouldn't that mean that guns do kill people?

Or is this yet another in an extremely long list of gun-crazed assholes who shouldn't have access to anything more dangerous than Nerf ball? Someone tell me why this criminally negligent fool should be permitted to carry an implement of murder?

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
6. Exactly.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:02 AM
May 2016

Last edited Mon May 2, 2016, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Ban HAND GUNS NOW!!

Rifles, shotguns.. let those stay legal.. hard to conceal.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
14. Band HAND GUNS NOW!!
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

I like to argue that people who make policy read political websites such as DU to 'take the pulse' of public opinion.

In this case, hopefully, not so much.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
16. They do, but the smart ones will notice that the gun prohibitionists aren't nearly as active...
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

...in real world politics as they noise levels might indicate.
IOW, they tend to be all show and no go.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
25. So who are the nutjobs that are killing people with handguns?
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

Answer: Nutjobs with handguns -who else? Nutjobs with flashlights? Nope.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
27. There are a LOT of bad guys but THE ONLY bad guys killing people WITH HANDGUNS
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

are the bad guys with handguns..

Do I really have to explain that simple deduction to you?
 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
28. Are you shouting at the guy standing behind me???
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

Because I can hear you just fine.

THE ONLY bad guys killing people WITH HANDGUNS

I'm not a bad guy, and I don't kill people.

"Do I really have to explain that simple deduction to you?"

No, but next time just hit me in the head with a shovel. It would be a more subtle approach.



 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
29. You still didn't get it. Are you dense?
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

The only people killing people with handguns are people with handguns.. Insert "bad guy" in place of "people" and the deduction is still the same.
Handguns are doing the killing - people without handguns are not killing people with handguns. Okay, I had to explain it to you.. How stupid...
 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
30. It must be the rain today...
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

...that people are getting so nasty.

Yes, logically, you could certainly say that it is necessary to have a handgun in order to kill someone with a handgun.

No argument.

No, handguns are not doing the killing. People with them are doing the killing. The handgun is the tool.

Hammers don't build nice houses or ugly houses. They are just used to hammer nails.

No, I'm not dense.

So what do you propose, instead of just raging online?

Would you like some contact information to become a firearms safety instructor?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
22. Do you go to legislative and municipal hearings? Donate to organizations that represent you views?
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

If you do, you're part of a minority amongst those of your viewpoint.

Gun owners tend to do all four of these at a much, much higher rate-
and that's why your mooted handgun ban will not happen in the foreseeable future

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
24. I count three things.. and none of the gun owners at the range I go to do any
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

of those at a "high rate".

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
8. it doesn't.
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:24 AM
May 2016

Only by pulling trigger.
NO they are not. They don't "just go off", especially handguns.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
21. According to the local news linked report, the gun went off while in his back pants pocket..
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016


"""Simms, who has a concealed carry permit, was carrying a Springfield Arms XDM .40-caliber handgun in his back pants pocket. """

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
40. A gun in a pocket without a proper holster
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:52 AM
May 2016

leaves the trigger exposed to objects that can snag the trigger and "pull" it.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
35. A gun discharges when the trigger is pulled.
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

While guns are designed to save lives, like any other machine they have to be properly used.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
4. I don't consider myself a violent person
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:57 AM
May 2016

but it's a shame that that discharge only caused a hole in his pocket rather than making him incapable of spawning any more progeny.

 

theatre goon

(87 posts)
7. You don't consider yourself a violent person...
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

...yet you are here expressing a fantasy in which someone gets very seriously injured.

Just how does that work...?

A rhetorical question, of course. You provided the answer in your original comment.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
36. LOL...that's funny.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

I'm pro rights as anyone, but your post made me laugh.

If you're going to carry a gun, please do not fiddle with the trigger. These firearms don't go off without booger hook to trigger contact.

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