Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumWhy do ammosexuals call people "thieves"? What's in it for them?
In an absolutely ridiculous moment of vigilante Texas justice, a woman with a gun decided she would convict an alleged purse snatcher of a capital crime and attempt to execute him on the spot.
The man, who was being held by what looks like typical people trying to catch a crook, manages to get away and starts running when the woman fires her weapon, barely able to handle the recoil. The man fell to the ground but wasnt hit, as the hero couldnt control her weapon well enough to hit a target a mere few feet away. He was recaptured and arrested while the woman fled in her pickup truck.
Conservatives will take this same exact story and call this woman things like Patriot and good guy (or girl) with a gun. What she actually is, is much more difficult to describe, but here goes: She is a lunatic. She fired a weapon in a Walmart parking lot without regard for human life. She obviously couldnt handle the gun, making her far more dangerous than an unarmed man who tried to jack a purse.
Shes lucky nobody was killed.
Watch raw video of a woman trying to execute a man for theft below:
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/videos/watch-texas-ammosexual-tries-to-execute-a-purse-snatcher-shoots-at-him-as-he-runs-away-video/
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...strange and unusual terms, such as "ammosexual", it would be wise to actually define such terms so people know what in hell you are talking about. What in the wide world of sports is a "ammosexual"?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)But since you asked, and because I'm a nice guy, here is a definition of "thief".
noun
1.
a person who steals, especially secretly or without open force; one guilty of theft or larceny.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/thief
Care to define "ammosexual"?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Is a person who recieves a service then fails to pay. Like eating a meal and then skipping out on the bill.
stone space
(6,498 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)And if it does, what rights does this give the ammosexual?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Life, Liberty, Pursuit of happiness.
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Generally the courts don't recognize "but I was going to pay later" as an excuse for theft of services unless a verifiable emergency had been in progress. So what is your hypothetical emergency?
beevul
(12,194 posts)Running away from an "ammosexual" just makes it more obvious how much regard for reality you have.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Running away from an "ammosexual" just makes it more obvious how much regard for reality you have.
We're not thieves.
beevul
(12,194 posts)We're not thieves.
If you run out of an eatery and fail to pay the bill because of a holstered firearm, yeah, you're a thief.
A holstered firearm is not a danger to your life. You left because your delicate sensibilities were offended, not because you were in any danger.
You're terrible at spin, btw.
Why are you accusing me of something I'm not doing?
stone space
(6,498 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)It's not thievery to run away from them and their guns.
Calling us thieves is just an attempt by ammosexual internet lawyers to bully and intimidate us into risking our lives.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Did someone say she didn't? Maybe you should take it up with that poster then, huh? How many times do I have to say it before you understand?
If there is no legitimate danger, running out of an eatery without paying is theft. PERIOD. How many times do I have to say it before you understand?
Round and round we go. A holstered weapon poses no danger.
How many times have you run from police, seeing as they have the same "holstered weapon"?
Did the judge buy your explanation of "deadly threat" about the officers sidearm?
DonP
(6,185 posts)Besides, you've probably already had lunch in a restaurant surrounded by people with guns.
You just didn't know it, so you didn't have an excuse to dine and dash and probably paid your bill.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)"I stole because I was scared of someone legally exercising their constitutional right" would get much sympathy from a court.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Chances of an acual shooting are miniscule
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Would you prefer "gunhumper".
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)It arouses ammosexuals to think about scaring innocient people with their guns.
It's easy for an armed bully to make fun of his victims.
ileus
(15,396 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)You really are a laugh riot for so many, many reasons.
By all means, keep up the good work on gun control.
I rely on some of your posts, among others, for my concealed carry classes for illustrative purposes and comedy relief.
This was me when I read that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Wow, such hypocrisy. Does not surprise me a bit that you champion made up words and condemn others for the same thing.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)which really means something else as anyone knows how hateful the people are that use that term be.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)her decision to fire was also clearly not the right one. That bullet has to come down somewhere.
braddy
(3,585 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)Warpy
(113,130 posts)You know, they got that shiny new toy that makes them feel all righteous and powerful and stuff, they naturally want to use it.
So...
Thieves piss me off, too, but I'd rather put them in the joint where they have ample time to consider alternative career moves.
ileus
(15,396 posts)At least the thief didn't get away this time...
stone space
(6,498 posts)At least the thief didn't get away this time...
ileus
(15,396 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)Any idea why that is?
What's in it for them?
ileus
(15,396 posts)thieves are people too.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Any idea why that is?
What's in it for them?
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)or just cut and paste?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Besides, I'm a mathematician, not a poet.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)You have not been censored.
We all have not been censored."
- Gyp Rossetti, DU Empire, Season 3
stone space
(6,498 posts)And don't mention mentioning John Lennon, either.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172156936
Some things are unmentionable here.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Post that OP in the True Crime Group where it belongs.
I know from your posts that language isn't your strong suit, but try to read slowly and carefully and you'll figure out what the ToS actually says. Not what you'd like it to say.
stone space
(6,498 posts)It didn't get censored anywhere on DU except the gungeon, because folks here hate gun victims with a passion.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Which I doubt you've even bothered to read.
So why didn't you just post it everywhere else, instead of whining again and again about how everybody picks on you?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Do you even know what that means? The posts are still there, your post was just locked properly for being off topic. You are still posting, YOU were and are not censored.
DonP
(6,185 posts)You have to really work at being obnoxious and ignorant to get an OP locked by our genial host.
In over a decade I've never had that problem, how about you?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Hell, the host from bansalot has almost 1000 OPs and most generally do not follow the SOP. he does Google Drive by posts without comment. The host here alows all viewpoints, including yours. How many are blocked in this group.
So please quit with the outright lies!!
Get back to me when our list of blocked people gets to be 1/4 of the number in bansalot, and when those people are blocked for ideology rather than crossing clearly established behavioral lines.
You have a lot of nerve, I'll grant you that, for playing the censorship card, knowing the policies in bansalot.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Your posts are exactly what motivates gun owners to get out and vote.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)"Andre Dawson, 27, was arrested at the scene, Bellmead police Detective Kory Martin said. Dawson remained in the McLennan County Jail Monday in lieu of $2,000 bond, charged with theft of less than $100."
"A McLennan County grand jury indicted Emma Cotten, 28, on a deadly conduct charge in a Nov. 20 incident in the parking lot of a Bellmead Wal-Mart, sources familiar with the case said Wednesday."
*Hope it is OK to NOT be an "ammosexual" and still call the guy who stole the pocketbook a "thief"...he is referred to that way in most of the news reports.
stone space
(6,498 posts)They know that some of their fellow ammosexuals believe in murdering people identified as "thieves".
It's coded speech directed towards potential restaurant customers as well as their fellow ammosexuals, which appears to have two main purposes:
(1) Intimidate innocent victims in restaurants where ammosexuals bring their AR-15s out on a date with them to eat, hoping to inhibit potential victims and their families from running away quickly, so that the ammosexual has more time to get a better shot, should he so desire. This labeling of innocent victims as "thieves" is often combined with legal threats of arrest for running away from deadly weapons, as well as legal threats of arrest.
(2) Encourage ammosexuals out on a date with their AR-15s to treat fleeing customers running for their lives as "thieves", rather than as gun victims running from a dangerous weapon. The nature of that treatment varies form ammosexual to ammosexual (the story in the OP is one possible reaction).
The demonization of fleeing restaurant customers as "thieves" is intended to make the situation more dangerous for potential gun victims, and is a form of Stochastic Terrorism on the part of ammosexals.
It's bullying.
The ammosexuals doing it know full well about stories like the one in the OP.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Don't blame the law on "ammosexuals", it makes you look like an "ammophobe".
stone space
(6,498 posts)Not even by labeling us as "thieves".
Your legal threats aren't nearly as scary as the very real threat from these guys.
Your internet bullying isn't going to work on us.
We are not going to sacrifice ourselves just because of some legal threats from some ammosexual internet lawyer.
Not even if you try to target us by telling the ammosexual that we are "thieves".
beevul
(12,194 posts)Its a good thing I never tried to then, huh?
Its society and the law which label people as thieves for not paying your bill, stoney.
The two women and the child make you scared, do they?
Your implication that I'm bullying you isn't going to stick on me, since I haven't.
The ramblings of a ammophobe internet mathematician.
And yet more ramblings.
Crude. Ineffective. Counterproductive.
Its safe to assume you're a better math teacher than a debater (My 5 year old nephew does better at math than debates too.)
Don't quit your day job.
stone space
(6,498 posts)The saner parts of society understand why folks mighty run from guns.
One of them murdered two people. She now blames easy access to guns for the double murder.
The child is probably still grieving.
Why do ammosexuals want us to risk our lives for them?
Why are you trying to bully us onto not running?
And why did you claim that she was safe when she murdered two people?
Were you trying to convince folks to risk their lives?
beevul
(12,194 posts)The saner parts of society understand why folks mighty run from guns.
Only a thieving ammophobe runs from paying his bill because of a peaceable carried holstered firearm, and only an ammophobe thinks that doing so is sane.
I guess all women scare you then then, right?
Oh I forgot, to the ammophobe that logic only applies to guns.
Why do ammophobes blame their own choices and the resulting consequence on others?
Why do ammophobes who seek to dictate everyone elses behavior call others bullies?
Projection Your Honor! (just playing my part as an amateur internet lawyer, dontchaknow)
(you really aren't good at this)
stone space
(6,498 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)Or is the math too difficult for you.
I guess all women scare you then then, right?
Oh I forgot, to the ammophobe that logic only applies to guns.
stone space
(6,498 posts)That sort of ammosexual internet lawyering is intended to intimidate folks into just sitting there meekly and risking their lives in the face of a deadly threat.
It is also intended as a coded green light for other unstable ammosexuals to shoot folks who run for their lives.
beevul
(12,194 posts)WRONG. Nobody is "running for their lives" from a holstered weapon. They're "running because of their delicate sensibilities".
Delicate flowers, those.
The "deadly threat" of a holstered weapon. How many times have you run from police, seeing as they have the same "holstered weapon"?
Did the judge buy your explanation of "deadly threat" about the officers sidearm?
Some time I would like to visit your world and take pictures of the sky, as long as I can get back to this one afterwards.
I wouldn't want to be stuck in backwardsville permanently.
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Yet in the picture, she has no visible weapon, and the people she murdered were family members.
I think your fear is misplaced.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Why does it bother you if we run away?
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Roughly one quarter of murder victims were killed by a family member. Roughly half were killed by someone they know.
As a random stranger, the odds are in your favor.
It doesn't bother me in the least. It does make you look foolish, however. Why would you run from open carry when you probably encounter people carrying concealed on a regular basis?
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts).....really bothers me.
How could anyone....
....not use a flash indoors?
So I can see the rifles better.
stone space
(6,498 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)stone space
(6,498 posts)http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016/02/arlington-woman-gets-life-in-prison-for-killing-husband-stepdaughter.html/
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)The crime she committed had nothing to do with open carry, despite her attorney's desperate attempt to link the two.
stone space
(6,498 posts)The crime she committed had nothing to do with open carry
The ammosexual habit of hairsplitting minutia doesn't impress normal folks.
There's always some technicality for ammosexuals to latch onto in their defense of their fellow ammosexuals.
But both of her victims are still just as dead, minutia or no minutia.
Your hairsplitting technicalities won't bring them back to life.
beevul
(12,194 posts)That's a fancy way of saying details don't matter. Do you also take this tack with mathematics, that details don't matter?
Theres always some detail for ammophobes to ignore, to latch onto their hatred of guns.
Your hairsplitting technicalities won't bring them back to life.
Yes, and you're responsible. What? You didn't do it? Well gosh, neither did we.
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Would you mind showing me where I defended this woman or her heinous crime?
The topic was why you should fear her. Remember? Running from your life from open carry?
She killed a domestic partner in a crime of passion. Is there anyone in your personal life that might give you cause for concern?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Or what?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)would definitely give us cause for concern.
A good example of why we like sitting with our backs to the wall whenever possible.
Straw Man
(6,771 posts)Apparently it is your contention that open carry activists are carrying their weapons in restaurants in the hope that people will run from them in fear so that they may shoot such people as they flee. Is that what you are suggesting?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)To get a response from the OP. Logic and facts confuse him, but insults are right up his alley. He and I had a discussion a few days ago and when I confronted him with factual issues he bailed.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But one time he did stalk me with PMs. I had to block PMs from him and notify Skinner.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)firing into the air and not directly at him?
braddy
(3,585 posts)The robber had just robbed an 84 year old woman.
"According to Texas law, a person commits deadly conduct if he or she recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or if she discharges a firearm at or in the direction of one or more individuals, or a habitation, building or vehicle.
Deadly conduct can be a Class A misdemeanor or a third-degree felony, depending on how it is alleged."
http://www.wacotrib.com/news/courts_and_trials/robinson-woman-indicted-in-wal-mart-purse-snatching-shooting/article_f79a3fb3-a6f5-5b60-bfb1-96a3df953fbc.html
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I can take a photo of people in a bar....
....and use the line 'one of them murdered two people' also.
By drinking and driving.
This is not a very nice world.
Many, many bad things happen in it.
People who intend to murder, will most likely find a way to at least try to murder.
The presence of a weapon does not equal the intent to use it. As far as perceiving a threat is concerned, there are two types of lead-ins to an event. One in which the aggressor 'telegraphed' the intent, and one in which they did not, or no one noticed the signals leading to the event.
One could argue that having one's hands on a firearm is a sign of 'telegraphing' intent. That is why so many open carriers do not condone long gun open carry. Your hands are all over the rifle. Getting out of the car, opening the door to the restaurant, adjusting it while seating.
With a holstered handgun, one can go decades without ever touching the holstered handgun while carrying it. The only time I put my hand on the grips is when there is a possibility of slipping and falling on a hiking trail.
I an not from a culture in which people LGOC except for hunting season, when it is all around.
I would not feel comfortable seeing the individuals in the photo above, as they are depicted, with rifles.
Handguns are a totally different conversation.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)Could we stop using terminology that ends in '.....sexual' Please...?
stone space
(6,498 posts)Could we stop using terminology that ends in '.....sexual' Please...?
What else do you call it when folks take their AR-15s out on dinner dates?
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)My wife and I have had a very healthy 25 year marriage - and still going strong.
We went shooting together once.
She did not like the noise, even with hearing protection.
That was 24 years ago.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Congratulations! You got us beat by 6 years!
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I take my wife and family to dinner and I carry discreetly, sometimes.
K frame Smith, 2.5 inch barrel - it's a big, real gun but it hides well under a shirt tail.
Getting married is the best thing I ever did.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)and should seek help for their paranoia. The childish sexual insults really just make them look sad.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)'Family Guy.'
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Not have a legitimate discussion.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Maybe we could come up with a more progressive label for those who steal.
misunderstood-possessor perhaps?
a liar will often say, after he was caught, that he "misspoke". A politically correct term for the actions of a thief might be to say that he "mis-took"
beevul
(12,194 posts)In the case of someone that rushes out of an eatery without paying, because their oh-so-delicate sensibilities were violated by the mere sight of a holstered firearm?
Accuracy is "whats in it for them".
So glad you asked.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You don't get to rush out of a restaurant without paying your bill because someone acting legally scared you? I thought that restaurants would be ok with you eating and not paying for your food. What about the server who needs tips to pay the bills and buy food? Certainly he/she won't mind.