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stone space

(6,498 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:52 AM May 2016

It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down.

If you see an ammosexual out on a dinner date with his AR-15, it's ok to run away.

Internet lawyers will try to scare you into inaction, but they don't give a shit whether you and your family lives or dies.

All they care about is their precious guns.

They'll threaten you with arrest if you run. They'll threaten you with jail.

Anything it takes to bully and intimidate you into risking the lives of you and your family.

That's how the NRA's goons operate here on DU, and elsewhere.

Because they don't care.

They just don't care.


It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers slow you down.


















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It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down. (Original Post) stone space May 2016 OP
WOW.. virginia mountainman May 2016 #1
His edges aren't really glued down very well DonP May 2016 #3
Folks, don't let this internet lawyer intimidate you with felony threats. stone space May 2016 #5
Yep, virginia mountainman May 2016 #7
You talk of skittles above, while supporting Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon Martin stone space May 2016 #8
And now, off on this other track... virginia mountainman May 2016 #12
Why should we take legal advice from a Zimmerman supporter? (nt) stone space May 2016 #13
I am not the one telling people to steal.... virginia mountainman May 2016 #14
He's just gaming the amnesty DonP May 2016 #25
Is "Skittles" supposed to be the new racist dogwhistle? Straw Man May 2016 #42
That's an interesting question, given post #1 here in this thread. stone space May 2016 #44
Post #1 is what I'm referring to. Straw Man May 2016 #47
DonP is such a bully. Eleanors38 May 2016 #30
Please do not threaten me with felony arrests. stone space May 2016 #43
If someone tells you not to drive 35 mph over the speed limit because it's a felony Nuclear Unicorn May 2016 #45
"Threaten"? Are you really that clueless or do you just pretend for comedy relief? DonP May 2016 #46
Folks, don't let this internet lawyer intimidate you with his threats of prosecution. stone space May 2016 #4
Yeah, in your mind, the criminal is the guy with the skittles, not the guy with the gun. stone space May 2016 #10
That's because it would be demonstrably true. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #36
When you can't argue the facts and don't understand the law, you resort to personal attacks Lurks Often May 2016 #37
Do you realize how foolish that sounds? Straw Man May 2016 #2
All due credit to Stoney... Puha Ekapi May 2016 #6
It sure drew the Zimmerman supporters here in a hurry, didn't it? (nt) stone space May 2016 #11
You're a Zimmerman supporter? Puha Ekapi May 2016 #21
Oh, not me. Virginia mountanman and Straw Man. If you didn't know before, you do now. stone space May 2016 #22
I don't see anything... Puha Ekapi May 2016 #23
Apparently ... Straw Man May 2016 #29
He is good for a little comic relief.. virginia mountainman May 2016 #15
You know... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #27
Do you realize that Zimmerman supporters like yourself have no standing to whine? stone space May 2016 #9
You don't get to call me a "Zimmerman supporter." Straw Man May 2016 #28
Gunstalking and murdering unarmed kids is not "acting reasonably". stone space May 2016 #40
The jury determined that that isn't what happened. Straw Man May 2016 #41
Wow, must have struck a nerve Duckhunter935 May 2016 #16
"Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #17
I recommend asking what brand AR they're carrying. ileus May 2016 #18
Yeah, you probably won't be prosecuted for running out on a restaurant bill... theatre goon May 2016 #19
Stoney.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #20
What crap? (nt) stone space May 2016 #24
The photos. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #26
I think I replied with a simple statement of fact. stone space May 2016 #35
Plausible deniability... beevul May 2016 #39
Would you characterize your latest posting efforts as sucessful or effective? beevul May 2016 #31
Its ok to eat. Don't let the internet fear mongerers scare you away. N/T beevul May 2016 #32
Are you owed beer and travel money and many experiences? nt JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #33
Run run away sarisataka May 2016 #34
It's recommended NOT to take legal advice from Stone Space Lurks Often May 2016 #38

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
1. WOW..
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

If you are waiting in line, to buy a pack of skittles, and you flee out the door because you see a person with a rifle slung over their shoulder, or a holstered firearms, you will be the one to have committed a crime.

And you would be the one prosecuted for it.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
3. His edges aren't really glued down very well
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:25 AM
May 2016

His posts are becoming more and more erratic, strange and disconnected from any kind of reality.

He eats in Restaurants with concealed carriers all around him with guns with no problem, but totally freaks out and gets paranoid at the mere idea of the same people open carrying and considers it grounds for justifiable petty theft.

Hope he never goes to Arizona or any other Open Carry states. He'll either starve or get thrown in the pokey for felony dine and dash.

IMNSHO, a clear case of advanced Hoplophobia Extremis.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
5. Folks, don't let this internet lawyer intimidate you with felony threats.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:30 AM
May 2016
He eats in Restaurants with concealed carriers all around him with guns with no problem, but totally freaks out and gets paranoid at the mere idea of the same people open carrying and considers it grounds for justifiable petty theft.

Hope he never goes to Arizona or any other Open Carry states. He'll either starve or get thrown in the pokey for felony dine and dash.


He's just trying to bully you with legal threats of felonies into risking the lives of you and your family.

He doesn't give a shit about whether your family lives or dies.


It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down.







 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
8. You talk of skittles above, while supporting Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon Martin
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:57 AM
May 2016

Nice.


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virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
12. And now, off on this other track...
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:15 AM
May 2016

I don't understand why you keep bringing that up? it has no bearing whatsoever on this conversation about theft. Why you keep bringing up old posts, on unrelated topics. Maybe you should speak to a trusted family member, or pray with your pastor about it.

You have been harboring these very strong emotions for a long while now. They can end up doing you harm, they can lead to hypertension, and possibly a stroke.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
25. He's just gaming the amnesty
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:59 AM
May 2016

He already got at least 2 "Vacations" for calling people Zimmerman supporters.

Now, with the amnesty from Skinner during the primaries, he knows even with the 6+ hides he already has now, he can get away with it and won't be thrown out again for a while.

So he's like an ill behaved child that found out he can say something naughty and get away with it.

Now he's going to keep repeating it to get the online attention he so desperately wants.

Must be pretty lonely and angst ridden out there in the real world for the gun control keyboard warriors.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
42. Is "Skittles" supposed to be the new racist dogwhistle?
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:09 AM
May 2016

I guess I'll have to start eating Starburst instead.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
44. That's an interesting question, given post #1 here in this thread.
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:25 AM
May 2016
Is "Skittles" supposed to be the new racist dogwhistle?


Your question on the meaning and usage of the word "skittles" in gun culture is a profound one, and may well be worth asking in an OP.


Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
47. Post #1 is what I'm referring to.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:47 AM
May 2016

You are suggesting that the word is used in "gun culture" to connote racism. That's a bizarre claim, since I see the word used far more in anti-gun culture. My take is that the word is used by everyone for its overtones of childlike innocence.

I look forward to your explanation of exactly how you interpret the use of the word "skittles" in Post #1.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
43. Please do not threaten me with felony arrests.
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:15 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 8, 2016, 06:52 AM - Edit history (1)

Hope he never goes to Arizona or any other Open Carry states. He'll either starve or get thrown in the pokey for felony dine and dash.


DU isn't the place to threaten individual posters with felony arrests.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
45. If someone tells you not to drive 35 mph over the speed limit because it's a felony
Sun May 8, 2016, 06:52 AM
May 2016

that's not a threat, it's a statement that the law makes it a felony to drive 35 mph over the speed limit.

No one can force you to commit a felony.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
46. "Threaten"? Are you really that clueless or do you just pretend for comedy relief?
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:35 AM
May 2016

Besides, running out on a diner check would only be a class 3 or 4 misdemeanor, not a felony

But I can understand either approach.

Heck, Don Knotts made a very successful career out of pretending to be clueless and "less than brave" for decades.

Or possibly, English might not be your native language and you struggle to grasp meanings in context.

But if you truly feel threatened by posts here, you need to 1. alert on the post or go to ATA or 2. let Skinner know how fearful you are.

Or 3. do what the other whiny gun control fans do and put everyone that you disagree with on ignore. The equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears online and going "LA LA LA" really loud.

In the meantime, we don't need another frequent vacationing weasel with more than 6+ hides under the amnesty to tell us what DU is and isn't.

Hell, you can't even stay on Discussionist without getting booted and that takes some real, prime idiocy to get kicked off of.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
4. Folks, don't let this internet lawyer intimidate you with his threats of prosecution.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:26 AM
May 2016
If you are waiting in line, to buy a pack of skittles, and you flee out the door because you see a person with a rifle slung over their shoulder, or a holstered firearms, you will be the one to have committed a crime.

And you would be the one prosecuted for it.


He doesn't care about the safety of your family.

He's just trying bully you into endangering the lives of you and your family with bad legal advice.


It's OK to run away. Don't let the internet lawyers show you down.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
10. Yeah, in your mind, the criminal is the guy with the skittles, not the guy with the gun.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:06 AM
May 2016
If you are waiting in line, to buy a pack of skittles, and you flee out the door because you see a person with a rifle slung over their shoulder, or a holstered firearms, you will be the one to have committed a crime.

And you would be the one prosecuted for it.


Rather typical coming from a Zimmerman supporter, I suppose.



 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
36. That's because it would be demonstrably true.
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

In an open carry jurisdiction, "the guy with the gun" would be committing no crime. The guy who bolted from the store w/o paying for the merchandise in their possession would be committing a crime. This isn't remotely in question...it's the law.

Don't get me wrong: open carry is idiotic in the large majority of situations. But your assessment of the legalities involved is flat out false.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
37. When you can't argue the facts and don't understand the law, you resort to personal attacks
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

The only reason you're allowed to post at all, is Skinner's amnesty for people with 5 or more hides.

Those of us with a mind open to the facts followed the trial, listened to the testimony of the witnesses and recognized that the prosecution failed to prove it's case. The same prosecution that chose not to take the case to a Grand Jury because they knew a Grand Jury would review the facts and fail to indict.

If supporting due process, the facts and the right to a fair trial makes you a bad person in your eyes, I could care less.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
2. Do you realize how foolish that sounds?
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:23 AM
May 2016

Do you realize that no one really cares what you do when you see an open-carried AR-15?

Do you realize that no one is bullying anyone into doing anything?

Do you realize that people are just making fun of you when they ask you why you would run away?

Do you realize ...

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
6. All due credit to Stoney...
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:52 AM
May 2016

I read his posts not for anything substantial, but because it's some of the funniest shit online. Well played, Stoney, well played

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
22. Oh, not me. Virginia mountanman and Straw Man. If you didn't know before, you do now.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:24 AM
May 2016
You're a Zimmerman supporter?

I had no idea....


Self-avowed Zimmerman supporters here at DU like to play internet lawyer here and try to intimidate folks into risking their own lives and the lives of their families.

This group is the Zimmerman supporter hangout on DU. If you are going to post here, you really need to know that.


Zimmermann broke no current laws, acted reasonably and Florida laws relating to any of his actions need no changes

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Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
29. Apparently ...
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
May 2016
Self-avowed Zimmerman supporters here at DU like to play internet lawyer here and try to intimidate folks into risking their own lives and the lives of their families.

... you don't know what the words supporter and intimidate mean.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
15. He is good for a little comic relief..
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:40 AM
May 2016

But for some reason, his visits are very brief...

His visits remind me of a late night bout of flatulence in bedroom.

The night air can be so fresh, and crisp, than a foul stench, starts wiffling in, just a small hint at first, then gets overpowering, then just as suddenly as it happened, dissipates into the night air. Leaving laughter in it's wake.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
9. Do you realize that Zimmerman supporters like yourself have no standing to whine?
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:00 AM
May 2016

Zimmermann broke no current laws, acted reasonably and Florida laws relating to any of his actions need no changes

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Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
28. You don't get to call me a "Zimmerman supporter."
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

I think Zimmerman was a rampant asshole. However, he acted within the law and in reasonable fear of his life. When someone is pounding one's head into the pavement, there is a very real possibility that one will end up dead or drooling in a wheelchair for the rest of one's life. In such a case, deadly force is justified.

People have alternative narratives that ignore the laws and their application in this case. I prefer a legal system that adheres to statute and precedent. Obviously you don't.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
41. The jury determined that that isn't what happened.
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:05 AM
May 2016

You may be in love with your buzzwords, but they bear no relation to reality.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
16. Wow, must have struck a nerve
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:27 AM
May 2016

You are so proud of stiffing it to the low wage server that you would deny payment for services rendered. I bet you would still want your public paycheck if when it is legal in your state, a person legally conceal carries and you let your irrational fear win and run and refuse to do your job.

Still being censored?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
17. "Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment...
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:47 AM
May 2016

...to avoidance, deterrence, and deescalation." That's some wise advice. IMHO, you've spent your time here in this group becoming the embodiment of the antithesis of this advice.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
18. I recommend asking what brand AR they're carrying.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:40 AM
May 2016

If it's anything but Colt, LWRC, and FN you don't have anything to worry about. All those others jam easily and you'd be safe...

How many time in your life have you seen someone open carry an AR??? Once? Never? Fewer than zero?

 

theatre goon

(87 posts)
19. Yeah, you probably won't be prosecuted for running out on a restaurant bill...
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:40 AM
May 2016

...at least, not for a first offense -- it's theft, but so small that neither the police nor prosecutors would be bothered with it. If it becomes a habit, though, you most likely will. It becomes a pattern of behavior.

Heck, even the restaurant probably won't bother pressing charges -- again, it's not worth their time. It is still theft to run out on the bill, and pretty reprehensible, but you'd probably get away with it. And, again, unless it becomes a habit.

I'm pretty sure you'll be invited not to return, though. People will only let you get away with stealing from them to a point.

I'm not sure what would happen if it came out that someone was advocating running out on the bill before they did it themselves. That could very well change things significantly. And if it were also someone in some way known in the community -- say, a teacher, for instance -- it could well have other consequences. That sort of behavior gets heard about rather rapidly, in my experience...

So, no, even with the small chances of legal consequences, I still wouldn't recommend such poor behavior. It's still theft, even if you get away from it, and it's just... well... pretty small, no matter what sort of nonsensical rhetoric you try to hide it behind.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
20. Stoney....
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:49 AM
May 2016

...tell you what....

Take that crap down from my essay on Open Carry and I will come to your defense.

From Opencarry.org, the leading website and resource on the legal open carry of holstered handguns:

http://www.opencarry.org/long-gun-oc/

OpenCarry.org is focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life. As such, we do NOT promote the open carry of long guns.

Why do we take this stance? After all, OpenCarry.org co-founders John & Mike as well as most of our members own at least one long gun. But due to urban area issues of muzzle control and lack of trigger guard coverage we do not promote long gun open carry.


In my opinion, long gun open carry (except immediately relating to hunting) is done for shock value and to bait police officers into a (peaceful but politically tense) encounter that is usually videotaped and posted on Youtube.
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
35. I think I replied with a simple statement of fact.
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

I was then challenged, by somebody ready to call me a liar.

It's happened many times in the past here.

This is not the first time that the memory of Andrea Farrington has been disrespected right here in this forum.

Some folks here get a kick out of disrespecting dead Iowans. Fuck that shit.

How many times have I been called a liar right here in this forum for simply mentioning the murder of Andrea Farrington?

The ammosexuals here in this forum have repeatedly attempted to cover up news of her cold-blooded murder at the hands of an OPEN CARRY AMMOSEXUAL.

They repeatedly discount the life of Andrea Farrington, attempting to make her into a non-person, as if she never existed.

That's because they don't care.

The just don't care about Iowans.

If you don't want proof offered when the lives of Iowans are disrespected and discounted as if they never existed, then you might want to tell folks here to stop disrespecting gun victims here in Iowa.

Tell them to stop pretending like they never existed and like the lives of Iowans don't matter.

They do.

Tell them to stop accusing folks who remember the victims of making their lives up.











 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
39. Plausible deniability...
Sat May 7, 2016, 12:03 PM
May 2016
I think I replied with a simple statement of fact.


Plausible deniability (not).

I was then challenged, by somebody ready to call me a liar.

It's happened many times in the past here.


I see you use the word "liar" more than anyone else. You're projecting.

Would you like a few examples?

Some folks here get a kick out of disrespecting dead Iowans. Fuck that shit.


According to you...with no evidence provided.


The ammosexuals here in this forum have repeatedly attempted to cover up news of her cold-blooded murder at the hands of an OPEN CARRY AMMOSEXUAL.


Which of course, is a lie.

That's because they don't care.

The just don't care about Iowans.



That's right from the manual.


If you don't want proof offered when the lives of Iowans are disrespected and discounted as if they never existed, then you might want to tell folks here to stop disrespecting gun victims here in Iowa.


If you want anyone to believe that anybody is "disrespecting gun victims here in Iowa", you might want to post an example, in support of your assertions. Nobody on a discussion board is simply going to take your word for anything, and that goes double for anyone familiar with your antics.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
38. It's recommended NOT to take legal advice from Stone Space
Sat May 7, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

He's shown nothing to indicate he is remotely qualified to provide legal advice when it comes to criminal law.


Anyone who is serious about understanding criminal law in their state should consult with a lawyer who specializes in criminal defense, not some alleged calculus professor at a university.

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