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stone space

(6,498 posts)
Sun May 8, 2016, 04:55 AM May 2016

Language, gun culture, and the meaning of the word "skittles".




One of DU's posters in this forum asked a profound question in another thread, one that concerns the use of language in gun culture.

Specifically, the question asked by this DU poster is whether certain words (in this case, the word "skittles"), as used in gun culture by gun enthusiasts, have become racist dog whistles.

Is "Skittles" supposed to be the new racist dogwhistle?

I guess I'll have to start eating Starburst instead.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=192363


The reference and question appears to be about post #1 of that very same thread, that brought up the issue of guns and skittles and wrapped them together, in direct reply to an OP which had absolutely nothing to do with the murder of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman (Nor was skittles mentioned in the OP.):

WOW..

If you are waiting in line, to buy a pack of skittles, and you flee out the door because you see a person with a rifle slung over their shoulder, or a holstered firearms, you will be the one to have committed a crime.

And you would be the one prosecuted for it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172192055#post1


Now, this scenario is one which attempts to paint folks who buy skittles as criminals, even when running away from folks with guns.

Given the rather obvious cultural reference in relation to skittles and guns, this does strike me as a racist dog whistle.

So I ask you.

Has the word "skittles", as used in post #1 of that thread, become a racist dog whistle?







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Language, gun culture, and the meaning of the word "skittles". (Original Post) stone space May 2016 OP
Why do you post so frequently about using a gun sighting as an opportunity to legitimize theft? Kang Colby May 2016 #1
The topic is language, gun culture, and the meaning of the word "skittles". stone space May 2016 #2
The post you cite is about your attempt to legitimize theft. Kang Colby May 2016 #3
You are trolling. Please try to stay on topic. (nt) stone space May 2016 #4
No, I am not trolling. Kang Colby May 2016 #5
Me, too. Why skittles? stone space May 2016 #8
Skittles.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #12
Skittles kill people. ileus May 2016 #15
Only in.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #16
There you go with the insults and name calling Duckhunter935 May 2016 #26
Stop harrassing me from thread to thread. stone space May 2016 #30
Lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #31
When you stopped sending me emails, I stopped replying to your emails to me. stone space May 2016 #32
See my other post to get the truth, you stopped Duckhunter935 May 2016 #33
"It's not rocket science." Duckhunter935 May 2016 #35
Actually, "ammosexual" is a homophobic dog whistle. nt Eleanors38 May 2016 #24
Yes it is and he uses it a lot Duckhunter935 May 2016 #27
If folks could steal stuff whenever they seen an open carrier ileus May 2016 #17
I told the OP once... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #19
LOL...that's funny. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #37
Bass Pro my ass, I'm heading for the Jaguar dealership and hoping for the best! DonP May 2016 #21
You win, I think Duckhunter935 May 2016 #28
If you havent yet paid for the skittles and you want to run away, you dont have to take them with yo Travis_0004 May 2016 #6
Why skittles? stone space May 2016 #7
No clue. Im more of an M&M guy Travis_0004 May 2016 #9
I'll wait for somebody who has a clue, then. stone space May 2016 #10
Peanut M&M's that is. ileus May 2016 #14
Me too, plain and peanut Duckhunter935 May 2016 #29
For folks in search of a clue. stone space May 2016 #11
I thought skittles was a brand of candy... ileus May 2016 #13
From Urban Dictionary.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #18
No. Skittles are tasty candy treats. The sour ones are faves. Nt jmg257 May 2016 #20
The ones that..... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #22
Yep! My kid loves em! nt jmg257 May 2016 #38
skittle this and skittle that... Puha Ekapi May 2016 #23
Making shit up again? DonP May 2016 #25
I voted "no." Straw Man May 2016 #34
So let me get this straight..... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #39
Right. Straw Man May 2016 #40
Except it's not me, it's stone space CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #41
You have it backwards Stoney. beevul May 2016 #36
Welp, this describes my feelings on this perfectly. virginia mountainman May 2016 #42
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
1. Why do you post so frequently about using a gun sighting as an opportunity to legitimize theft?
Sun May 8, 2016, 05:56 AM
May 2016

I was up in Maine last summer, I noticed a few men open carrying handguns (holstered) and I didn't use it as an opportunity to dine and dash or run out of the store with items that I hadn't purchased.

In parts of our country, it is a rather common practice.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
2. The topic is language, gun culture, and the meaning of the word "skittles".
Sun May 8, 2016, 06:00 AM
May 2016

Please try to stay on topic.

Do you have any comments on the actual topic of this thread?



 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
3. The post you cite is about your attempt to legitimize theft.
Sun May 8, 2016, 06:12 AM
May 2016

The poster was explaining to you that your actions would be considered criminal unlike open carry in most states.

I could understand if you mentioned this once or twice in passing. But you regularly post about using gun sightings as an opportunity to legitimize petty theft. It comes across like you are trying to rationalize kleptomania.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
5. No, I am not trolling.
Sun May 8, 2016, 06:17 AM
May 2016

Why do you think it's acceptable to steal if you see someone carrying a firearm in accordance with state law? I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind these posts.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
12. Skittles....
Sun May 8, 2016, 07:56 AM
May 2016

...I have no idea what Skittles are, I have no idea who eats Skittles.

I assume it's a candy, due to the color of the label shown (the rainbow color) and that it is referred to as 'a box of Skittles.'

Do persons of certain ethnic backgrounds like Skittles?

Do people who are anti-gun like Skittles?

Do shoplifters like Skittles?

What the heck is a Skittle and what is the significance of Skittles?

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
26. There you go with the insults and name calling
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

That was quick but not surprising. What is it with you and racism?

Simple question again, do you think I am a racist?

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
30. Stop harrassing me from thread to thread.
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016
Simple question again, do you think I am a racist?


It's not my job you declare you a non-racist.

You are obsessed with being declared a non-racist.



 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
31. Lol
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016


At least you stopped harassing me via unwanted PMs. Asking a simple question is not harassment and the easy way to stop my asking it is to answer one way or another.
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
32. When you stopped sending me emails, I stopped replying to your emails to me.
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016
At least you stopped harassing me via unwanted PMs. Asking a simple question is not harassment and the easy way to stop my asking it is to answer one way or another.


It's not rocket science.



 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
33. See my other post to get the truth, you stopped
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

When I blocked you and reported you to Skinner. You are the one that sent me the first unwanted PM and responded even though in every one of mine, I kindly asked you to stop.

I NEVER sent you unsolicited DU mails, all I did was respond to yours that you sent me. I asked you to stop and you would not.

For everyone to see, here is the DU mail exchange YOU started with me that was not solicited by me, that SIR is HARRASSMENT


all right, let's get this in the open. your unsolicited mail


stone space
You win. I'm out.


And don't play games.

You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.

My reply...
I did look and I know you called me a racist and a lier. That is sickening and please do not mail me anymore. I am tired of your insults directed at me. It is best to just post in open forums. Good night
> And don't play games.
>
> You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.
>
>
>
>

You responded even after I requested you stop.
You lie.

>
> I did look and I know you called me a racist and a lier. That is sickening and please do not mail me anymore. I am tired of your insults directed at me. It is best to just post in open forums. Good night
> > And don't play games.
> >
> > You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.
> >
> >
> >
> >

My response back....
I see you can not comply with a simple request to stop mailing me but go further and call me a lier. All you have to do is say I am not a racist. Funny how you can't. If you keep sending me insults, I will forward these to the administrators. Please do not send me any more mail unless it is to say I am not a racist. Once again, good night.
> You lie.
>
> >
> > I did look and I know you called me a racist and a lier. That is sickening and please do not mail me anymore. I am tired of your insults directed at me. It is best to just post in open forums. Good night
> > > And don't play games.
> > >
> > > You did check and you don't want to admit that I was backing you up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

You responded once again even after I requested you stop...
Why do you feel the need to try to force others to declare that you are no9t a racist?

You do realize just how bizarre that is, don't you?

My response back requesting you stop...
Because you said I was , I am now going to send an email to skinner that you are stalking me. Have a good night

your response..
No I didn't. that is a lie.

My final mail to you..
Blocked your mail for the spam you keep sending after I told you to stop


After that last mail I sent a mail to Skinner to inform him of your repeated contact via mail even after I requested you to stop. I also blocked you from sending me any more mail as I think that is the best way to diffuse the situation. The facts are now out in the open for all to see. I hope you have a great day, sir.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185304


Your question in ATA
Is the posting of private emails acceptable at DU?


Skinner's response
Depends what you mean by "acceptable".
I don't personally approve of the practice. But if someone does it there is no guarantee that a jury will find the practice to be inappropriate.

My advice is that people refrain from sending DU Mail messages that they don't want posted publicly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599446


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=192465

ileus

(15,396 posts)
17. If folks could steal stuff whenever they seen an open carrier
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:23 AM
May 2016

it wouldn't be long before everyone was open carrying.



I'm waiting for free day.....I think I'll head down to Bass Pro and carry a transcript of this forum as proof it's acceptable.

I'll finally have that basket full of KVD square bills I've always dreamed of.


They may even have skittles by the front registers for me to grab as I'm fleeing for my life.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
19. I told the OP once...
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

...several threads ago - on the same topic - that I would come in to a restaurant open carrying...

...just as he was finishing dinner....

And he could get the meal for free.

He did not think it was funny.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
6. If you havent yet paid for the skittles and you want to run away, you dont have to take them with yo
Sun May 8, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016

So yes, if you take them without paying its theft. If you want to leave the store, put the skittles down and leave. Nothing wrong with that.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
13. I thought skittles was a brand of candy...
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:19 AM
May 2016

Out of all the colors of skittles, the red skittles, and purple skittles are the only skittles I care for. Toss out the Green skittles and yellow skittles those skittles suck ass.


Skittles is the new Thug.....

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
18. From Urban Dictionary....
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:26 AM
May 2016
Skittles, or a Skittle bag, sometimes used to refer to miscellaneous heterogeneous mix of various narcotic pills, jumbled up in a bag (usually leftovers donated to the communal skittle bag). Often multicolored like a bag of skittles. Incredibly dangerous, as the actual contents are often unknown, and, thusly, the effects are often a surprise high.


Are we really talking about going to a crack house and seeing dealers armed with AK's?

And running away from the crack house for your life?

Sure, you certainly don't need my permission to do that.


I was told that Google is my friend.....

That's what I found.

Interesting.

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
23. skittle this and skittle that...
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

...I have no freaking clue about skittles or any imagined meaning they may have, but I DO know a few things about people of color and firearms

Stoney, what is YOUR position about people of color arming themselves?

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
25. Making shit up again?
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:56 AM
May 2016

Based on your extensive insights into "gun culture" I bet. That's about as valid as your other "insights".

Or just trying to create a new imaginary meme that you hope to hell will give you some kind of credibility?

So Skittles in racist now? TV seems to be full of "racist" commercials according to you, alert the networks!

Why not Ice Tea too, as long as you're pulling stuff out of your nether regions?

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
34. I voted "no."
Sun May 8, 2016, 01:20 PM
May 2016

Despite your attempts to paint it as such, "Skittles" is not a racist dog whistle. The silly name makes it convenient to use as an example of someone making an innocent and innocuous purchase. I think this is why so many fastened onto it in the Trayvon Martin case: "He was just going out for a bag of Skittles."

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
39. So let me get this straight.....
Sun May 8, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016

The night he was killed, Trayvon Martin was buying Skittles.

Then I think we should change the hypothetical product you would not pay for to something else...

...anything else.

Out of respect. I'm serious.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
41. Except it's not me, it's stone space
Mon May 9, 2016, 07:04 AM
May 2016

I know. No one in particular, all contributors to this forum.

We should all switch over to use a generic product with no implications for an actual incident.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
36. You have it backwards Stoney.
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 8, 2016, 09:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Now, this scenario is one which attempts to paint folks who buy skittles as criminals, even when running away from folks with guns.


Here, let me FIFY:

The scenario paints people who run away without paying, as thieves, even when running away from the mere sight of a holstered gun, even if they intend to buy skittles.

You're welcome.
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