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Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:09 PM May 2016

Hawaii to enter gun owners into FBI database

HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.

Most people entered in the "Rap Back" database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in "positions of trust," such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.

"I don't like the idea of us being entered into a database. It basically tells us that they know where the guns are, they can go grab them" said Jerry Ilo, a firearm and hunting instructor for the state. "We get the feeling that Big Brother is watching us."

Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws. Allison Anderman, a staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the bill was "groundbreaking," and that she hadn't heard of other states introducing similar measures.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/057945d6be7a4fb89d68bbf7d8b48bd8/hawaii-could-be-first-put-gun-owners-federal-database


Once your state has universal background checks (aka registration), this is the kind of thing that always comes next.

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Hawaii to enter gun owners into FBI database (Original Post) Kang Colby May 2016 OP
Good n/t doc03 May 2016 #1
Why do you consider this good? Marengo May 2016 #16
Glad they live on an island d_legendary1 May 2016 #2
Banners like putting people on lists... ileus May 2016 #3
Good news SecularMotion May 2016 #4
You're welcome. Kang Colby May 2016 #6
Lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #8
Hey Duckhunter ...hope all is well. Kang Colby May 2016 #9
All is well indeed Duckhunter935 May 2016 #10
Simple, GCRA is a cloud cuckoo land of delusion and prejudice... Marengo May 2016 #15
I wonder how many of us from GCRKBA... Puha Ekapi May 2016 #11
I got blocked for agreeing with a post Duckhunter935 May 2016 #14
My blockable sin sarisataka May 2016 #17
So true Duckhunter935 May 2016 #18
And "Outdoor Life" too DonP May 2016 #21
Yep, lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #23
Someone isn't happy about how outdoor life is going either discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #22
Imagine if you had two groups of people... Kang Colby May 2016 #24
Controllers are very totalitarian TeddyR May 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #12
Controllers seem to hate Kang Colby May 2016 #19
They don't like free speech much either. N/T beevul May 2016 #29
Yup. Not at all. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #30
Imagine a registry for online publishers including Kang Colby May 2016 #7
Or something similar as was practiced in Ceausescu's Romania... Marengo May 2016 #13
MS Word (and office, in general) and products from other companies... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #20
Interesting. Thanks for the info, I didn't know this. Marengo May 2016 #25
I've always supported UBCs. It is becoming more difficult to justify that support. Eleanors38 May 2016 #26
Ask yourself this. Kang Colby May 2016 #28
They know full well what they're pushing for, and why. beevul May 2016 #32
UBC, registration, federal database, plus highly restricted permits...nothing to fear here. jmg257 May 2016 #27
The answer to freedom "we" don't like... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #31

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
2. Glad they live on an island
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

The gun nuts would not hesitate to bring out assault rifles in protest of what they are doing.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
6. You're welcome.
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:42 AM
May 2016

Day in and day out, you tirelessly bring gun control related news and information to our screens. Thank you.



P.S. - would you consider unblocking me from GCRA? I only made one accidental post which I deleted within 30 seconds. Shortly after I was blocked by one of your colleagues. I have no intent to create posts or respond to threads in a manner that doesn't comply with the SOP in that group.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
8. Lol
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

Nice try but thoee guys are so scared it will never happen. Not to mention, I bet you never even get the courtesy of a response from that nice host.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
9. Hey Duckhunter ...hope all is well.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:57 AM
May 2016

I figured it was worth a shot, you know extending an olive branch so to speak. I would hope SecMo could put a good word in for me over at GCRA. I at least would value a response.

I didn't nor would I post pro gun sentiments in GCRA. If the anti gun folks post in GC&RKBA...I haven't seen a thread yet where the pro gun folks take exception to it and run off refusing to engage in a lively discussion. I don't know why that can't be a two way street. There are some antis out in GD that will engage in an interesting discussion.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
15. Simple, GCRA is a cloud cuckoo land of delusion and prejudice...
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

So much so, it is mostly abandoned now. The only remaining regular participants bleat the same insipid rhetoric like animatronic sheep. It's truly machine like in the lack of original thought and repetition.

sarisataka

(20,896 posts)
17. My blockable sin
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

Was to question if some posts were outside of the SOP.

It is quite ironic, I think, given the GCRA hosts' concern for SOP adherence of other groups.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
21. And "Outdoor Life" too
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

Perfect proof of their focus on Controlling others thoughts and words more than reducing gun violence.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
22. Someone isn't happy about how outdoor life is going either
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910411
See the ATA thread for the Admin's response.


The host of the Outdoor Life group is encouraging pro-gun members
to use the group for posts that don't fit the SOP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=192910


I feel this post violates the SOP of the Outdoor Life group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12141293

There is no context other than a query on gun parts. Oddly enough, when I googled the request there was a post on Discussionist with the exact same request and similar wording.

http://www.discussionist.com/1016180210


I have sent an alert on the post and had an exchange with the host.

I felt the admins should be aware of the host's attempt to turn Outdoor Life into another gun forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172192875#post11
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
24. Imagine if you had two groups of people...
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

The Johnson family and the Smith family. The Johnson family disagrees with the Smith family on just about everything. They don't like the way the Smiths vote, they don't like how the Smiths cut their yard, they don't like the music the Smiths listen to, they disagree with the Smiths on some fundamental level. But the Johnson family says "well, that's just the Smiths...those are their opinions and while we disagree with them..they are entitled to their opinion." The Johnson family invites the Smith family over to dinner, in fact they offer the Smiths a standing invitation "come over whenever you like."

Now, the Smiths disagree with the Johnsons but the Smiths are obsessed with having the Johnson family take on their beliefs. They are not at all accepting of the fact that the Johnsons have different tastes in music, landscaping, or politics. They periodically stop by the Johnson household, eat all the food, use bad language, steal the silverware, and crap all over the floor without an apology. The Smiths never let the Johnsons come over to their house for dinner...they never even extend the offer.

And that's kind of like my admittedly poor analogy for the online gun control debate. Gun control discussion groups are almost always heavily moderated and dissenting opinions are forbidden.

I imagine you could go over to any gun forum on the web and start a gun control discussion in the 2A sub forum and you won't be insta-banned unless you are actually trolling.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
5. Controllers are very totalitarian
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:37 AM
May 2016

They don't care about the Constitution -- controllers know what is best for everyone and if your constitutionally protected right doesn't conform to their view of the world then too bad for you.

Response to TeddyR (Reply #5)

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
19. Controllers seem to hate
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

the 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

They believe that the right to possess firearms should be vacated and property seized without due process protection. Mind you, ownership of arms ("to keep&quot is protected in itself.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
7. Imagine a registry for online publishers including
Wed May 25, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

forum posters and bloggers. I think most of the gun control arguments would apply equally.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
13. Or something similar as was practiced in Ceausescu's Romania...
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

With the registration of privately owned typewriters and the requirement to submit samples of typed text to the police to be kept on record. Wonder if word processing software and its product could be individually tagged so as each user can be specifically identified by law enforcement? I know nothing about software development so have no clue if such a thing is possible, but if it were, I wonder how our resident controllers might react to it.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
20. MS Word (and office, in general) and products from other companies...
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:19 AM
May 2016

...have facilities to add a user's name and organization to the product. These are embedded in every document unless you remove them or skip that step in the setup.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
28. Ask yourself this.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:44 PM
May 2016

If UBCs pass, do you think the controllers will stop? Fold up shop and go home? Nope. Then it's on to a medical history evaluation (Hawaii already has this for gun purchasers, yeah turning over your medical history to law enforcement who can use any excuse they can come up with to deny a purchase.) or requiring approval from your physician prior to each purchase, then you have may issue systems, expansion of prohibited persons, ammo background checks, ammo purchase limits, assault weapons bans, approved gun rosters with nonexistent requirements, longer and longer wait times....no thanks.

In New Jersey a woman can be denied a purchase permit for being "too small" to handle a gun as decided by a cop who has unilateral authority in making that decision.

We need to have more discussions and see more action on removing hurdles to gun ownership in this country.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
32. They know full well what they're pushing for, and why.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

Universal background checks are a no-brainer but for them to work there must be a universal electronic searchable data base of guns or it can't be enforced.http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210731


Registration is and always has been their 'holy grail'.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
27. UBC, registration, federal database, plus highly restricted permits...nothing to fear here.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

Depending on your goals, I guess.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
31. The answer to freedom "we" don't like...
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

...often includes creating a government list. Sometimes it's public, sometimes it's secret.

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