Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumStand your ground against gun violence
Last week the states legislature passed a bill that would dramatically increase the rights of gun owners in the state. The legislation now awaits Nixons signature or his veto.
If Nixon signs the bill, he will practically be ensuring that more Missouri residents will die from gun violence.
In other states that have passed stand your ground laws, the results have been clear: More people have been killed by guns. According to one recent study by the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, states with stand your ground laws have experienced increased rates of overall homicides, firearm-related homicides, and justifiable homicides. Indeed, justifiable homicides increased by 53 percent in states with stand your ground laws, while decreasing by 5 percent in states without these laws.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/05/24/stand-your-ground-against-gun-violence/O66S7yY0TEZh01MOvfBZOK/story.html
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)I can't believe the same talking points are still being spewed out over and over...what a dunce, but he knows his readership, they'll bite on anything.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Umm, a justifiable homicide isn't a crime, which is why it is called "justifiable."
sarisataka
(21,000 posts)Justifiable homicide, to such, is simply murder.
Many times we have seen it posted here that people who use a gun in self-defense should be charged with murder if the criminal dies. If the criminal happens to survive it has often been posted "they both should be in jail."
DonP
(6,185 posts)We had another one just last week or so, that thought shooting home invaders, even if they are armed, was a crime and deserved prosecution. Because, well; "Is your flat screen worth a life?"
But it's a free country and if they choose to roll the dice and trust their lives and family to the tender mercies of home invaders, it's their choice.
But ... they don't get to choose for the rest of us and that's what really pisses them off.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)And the authors concluded that SYG laws resulted in an increase in homicides of white males but no increase in homicides of minorities, which I thought interesting. The authors also noted that the increase in homicide rates may in fact be due to justifiable homicides but did not reach any conclusion one way or the other on that issue:
The study itself had some fairly interesting information, such as:
Here's the link to the paper - http://www.nber.org/papers/w18187.pdf
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)California is a SYG state by common law. It has been SYG since before any of our grandparents were born. It is unusual in that not only can you stand your ground, you can pursue the attacker as part of your defense.
http://lawofselfdefense.com/jury_instruction/ca-505-justifiable-homicide-self-defense-or-defense-of-another/
I'm going to take a wild guess that the study assumes if there isn't a SYG statute, that it must be DTR. That isn't always the case.
http://volokh.com/2013/07/17/duty-to-retreat/
jmg257
(11,996 posts)to show the uselessness of CCWs??
"Washington, DC New research from the Violence Policy Center (VPC) confirms that contrary to what the firearms industry and gun lobby claim, private citizens rarely use guns to kill criminals or stop crimes.
The study finds that in 2013, the most recent year for which data is available, there were only 211 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm reported to the SHR. Twenty states reported zero justifiable homicides in 2013. That year, there were 7,838 criminal firearm homicides.
The study also finds only a tiny fraction of the intended victims of violent crime or property crime employ guns for self-defense. Over a three-year period from 2012 to 2014, less than one percent of victims of attempted or completed violent crimes used a firearm, and only 0.2 percent of victims of attempted or completed property crimes used a firearm."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210633
http://www.vpc.org/press/self-defense-gun-use-is-rare-new-vpc-study-confirms/
While in 2012, a bump in rate of 1 extra homicide in a million found justifiable is the cause for all kinds of alarms.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)Whenever I want info on Missouri I always go by what the Massachusetts newspapers have to report.
Is that a rifle in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)It is rifle-ish, right?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)At least he wasn't aiming a '65 Dodge Coronet. I think MSM is sporting with us, now.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)They didn't call it an "assault weapon."