Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumWhich group of gun owners are the control folk most afraid of?
Those who own...
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...for self-defense. | |
7 (78%) |
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...to hunt. | |
0 (0%) |
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...for target shooting. | |
1 (11%) |
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...because they're preppers. | |
1 (11%) |
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...because they're collectors. | |
0 (0%) |
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safeinOhio
(33,957 posts)Most afraid of?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)In his concurring opinion, Justice Thomas alone supported overturning the Slaughter-House and Cruikshank decisions,[15] proposing that "the right to keep and bear arms is a privilege of American citizenship that applies to the States through the Fourteenth Amendments Privileges or Immunities Clause."[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._City_of_Chicago
safeinOhio
(33,957 posts)Justice Stevens wrote a lengthy dissenting opinion. Among his disagreements with the majority was the statement that incorporation was not at issue in this case. Citing Cruikshank, Stevens wrote, "The so-called incorporation question was squarely and, in my view, correctly resolved in the late 19th century." In addition, he argues against incorporation, taking issue with the methodology of the majority opinions.
Justice Breyer wrote, "In sum, the Framers did not write the Second Amendment in order to protect a private right of armed self defense. There has been, and is, no consensus that the right is, or was, 'fundamental.'"[25]
Same article
Activist judges were in the majority
Giggity
(86 posts)"People's rights".
DonP
(6,185 posts)Dissenting opinions are not used as precedent.
But it's nice the gun control fans have something that keeps them all warm and fuzzy at night.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Last edited Thu May 26, 2016, 10:10 AM - Edit history (1)
Cruikshank also said that any state can take away the first amendment rights and also made the civil rights laws at the time unenforceable. Stevens was being an activist. Civil rights lawyers have been chipping away at Cruikshank for decades, McDonald finally smashed it. Cruikshank enabled the Klan's repression and Jim Crow laws.
As constitutional commentator Leonard Levy later wrote in 1987, "Cruikshank paralyzed the federal government's attempt to protect black citizens by punishing violators of their Civil Rights and, in effect, shaped the Constitution to the advantage of the Ku Klux Klan." Federal civil rights enforcement was blocked by Cruikshank until 1966 (United States v. Price; United States v. Guest) when the Court vitiated Cruikshank.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank#Aftermath
As to Breyer, the sponsors of the 14th amendment didn't write it in order to protect gay marriage or abortion either, what's his point?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)...the 1%ers. They're about the most out-of-control folks around.
If you mean the non-control pro 2A folks, why would they be afraid? They have guns.
safeinOhio
(33,957 posts)that's for sure.
I'm working as hard as I can to get a Democratic President elected so our SC will swing back from Citizens United, restrictions on a women's right to her and her doctors choice, racist voting rights laws and to limit the out of control gun rights as promoted by the Ted Nugents, Wayne Lapierres. We are just one Justice away from returning to sanity on those issues.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)You replied to yourself.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)"All of the above."
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)In big cities gun charges are more often than not "nolle prosequi" in exchange for a plea deal on watered down charges. The idea being to avoid a trial and just keep the perps moving through the system due to a number of complex issues.
For example, guy gets busted for distribution of a controlled substance, carrying a gun with prior felony convictions. The gun charges get dropped and the guy pleads to possession of a controlled substance. The judge sentences the person to time served, which is usually under 60 days. Rinse and repeat until the individual is popped on a murder beef or is killed. That scenario plays out all day everyday around here.
In D.C. and Baltimore, what do a large percentage of homicide suspects have in common? Prior gun charges.
We beat this drum all the time in the statehouse, but nobody wants to do anything unless it involves banning "shoulder things that go up."
Interestingly, if you are a hunter who makes a wrong turn, drives into D.C., and are found to be in possession of brass casings or spent shotgun shells...you are going to jail.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)In "honor" of a gun control fan we have on DU that used to insist all target shooting is just practicing to kill people since "all you use are human shaped targets".
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)Having a gun for any purpose might be acceptable, if you are against private gun ownership. The act of shooting the gun and, even worse, shooting often and working to become proficient may be the scariest. We're all potential murder-snipers.
DonP
(6,185 posts)If you own a gun and don't practice; you're dangerous because you don't know what you're doing and will obviously kill innocent bystanders.
If you own a gun and do practice; then you're just practicing to kill people more effectively and are obviously are a mental case that shouldn't be allowed to own any gun.
It's right up there with their habit of celebrating every time some back bencher at the state or federal level "proposes" a new law that never makes it out of committee, then asks them for another donation to fight the evil NRA.
If only those politicians realized how cheap gun control supporters really are, once you get past Bloomberg.
Good news though, even the "Fudds" I've been meeting are starting to finally come around and realize they are just next on the gun control list, with their "scoped high powered sniper rifles".
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)sarisataka
(20,896 posts)... because they own.