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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:50 PM May 2016

Chicago’s Murder Problem

There was a time when it looked as if Chicago would follow New York and Los Angeles into a kind of sustained peace. Then progress stalled in 2004, and the city has been through some harrowing years leading up to another alarming spike in homicides this year.

So what’s going on in Chicago?

It’s complicated, but a comparison with New York is a good place to start. Both cities began the 1990s with historically high homicide rates; both have diverse populations, including large numbers of blacks, Hispanics and whites, and a wide range of economic fortune as well.

People who know both cities say there are some significant differences in policing, especially around the issue of guns.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/18/us/chicago-murder-problem.html
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Chicago’s Murder Problem (Original Post) SecularMotion May 2016 OP
So Illinois' refusal to increase TeddyR May 2016 #1
And the NRA wellst0nev0ter May 2016 #2
can you cite that? gejohnston May 2016 #3
Here wellst0nev0ter May 2016 #5
illegal gun possession by itself is the same as gejohnston May 2016 #6
False. Kang Colby May 2016 #4
Chicago... the gun-control paradise has a murder problem involving guns??? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #7
Gary not Kleck jimmy the one May 2016 #8
it's obvious discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #9
pro gun states are tops jimmy the one May 2016 #10
I guess we agree. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #11
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
1. So Illinois' refusal to increase
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

Sentences for illegal gun possession along with a massive increase in gang violence has led to an increase in murders, primarily by gang members. I would like to see these individuals held accountable for their actions. Commit a crime involving a firearm should be a mandatory 10 year sentence. Do you agree SecMo?

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
6. illegal gun possession by itself is the same as
Sat May 28, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

illegal pot possession. Besides, DAs generally drop those charges first.
what they are saying is that another wise law abiding citizen who made a wrong turn on a bridge would face greater time than a Nike Boys soldier. There is a valid point to be said about mala prohibita crimes, like simple gun possession, of getting stiffer sentences than "real" crimes. Prime example, in New York, any violation of the SAFE Act, including having an unregistered Olympic style target pistol deemed an "assault weapon" is a higher penalty than sexual assault.
http://nyfirearms.com/forums/handguns/42535-target-pistols-exempted-assault-weapon-test.html

Why doesn't Chicago concentrate on the gangs, who are the real problem? Easy answer.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
7. Chicago... the gun-control paradise has a murder problem involving guns???
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:11 PM
May 2016

What are you smoking? That just couldn't be.



















jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
8. Gary not Kleck
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:38 PM
May 2016

dsicntnt: Chicago... the gun-control paradise has a murder problem involving guns???

News flash to dscntnt, the 2011 supreme court McDonald decision made handguns legal in chicago, have been for 5 years now. Some form of concealed carry legal too now, 2012. Read up more on gun control in chicago. Gun control paradise?
Guns continuing to do good work in chicago, eh? Since McDonald chicago's murder rate has averaged about 6% higher (average, gone up ~15% one year it seems.)

Chicago has a reputation for strict gun laws, and gun rights advocates often point to it as proof that gun regulation doesn’t reduce violence. But its laws aren’t what they used to be: Federal courts struck down its ban on handgun ownership in 2010, and its ban on gun sales in 2014. And a New York Times analysis showed guns were easily available from nearby jurisdictions, especially Indiana.

To wit Gary Indiana which is pro gun & has oft in the past had the highest gun murder rate in the country.

August 04, 2015 GARY, Ind. (WLS) -- By this time last year, there had been 19 murders in Gary. This year, it's already up to 34. City officials said they can't turn around that trend by themselves.
(2013) Gary is on pace to log 49 homicides by year's end. If that happens, the city will have a per capita homicide rate of 62, or one for every 1,600 residents.


Murder rates in pro gun gary indiana have generally been higher than chicago's gun murder rates:

Crime rates in Gary by year Type Murders (per 100,000)
2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2011 2012 2013 2014
60 (57.7) 68 (67.0) 54 (53.7) 58 (58.0) 48 (48.3) 71 (73.2) 49 (51.2)
{2009} 49 (51.5) 30 (37.2) 37 (46.0) 54 (68.5) 37 (47.4)

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Gary-Indiana.html

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
9. it's obvious
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

Chicago's problem is being caused by Gary. Perhaps they could sue. They might win... well maybe not but then they're used to losing.

So from what you're saying, Chicago's gun laws aren't working.
I guess we agree.

jimmy the one

(2,717 posts)
10. pro gun states are tops
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016
Pew Research Center published a report in 2014 that found that while Chicago had seen a lot of murders in raw numbers, smaller cities had a higher rate, adjusted for population. Using FBI data the Pew Research Center determined that the top cities in 2012 for the murder rate were Flint, Michigan; Detroit; New Orleans; and Jackson, Mississippi. Chicago came in 21st.

Note how chicago is tenth after 7 pro gun cities with shall issue (phila pro gun state with restrictions)An August 2013 CDC report looked at rates for gun homicides in the 50 most populous metropolitan areas. It found that for 2009-2010, the top gun murder rate areas were, in order: New Orleans, Memphis, Detroit, Birmingham, St. Louis, Baltimore, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Philadelphia and Chicago

Looka all the pro gun states at the top of the lists: states with the highest {robbery} rates are Nevada, Mississippi, Georgia, Maryland and Louisiana. Four out of five of those states received an “F” from the groups that advocate tougher gun laws. (We discounted Illinois, which reported limited data to the FBI.)

We then did the same rate calculation for aggravated assaults with a firearm in 2014. The top five states: Tennessee, South Carolina, Arkansas, Louisiana and Delaware.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/gun-laws-deaths-and-crimes/
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