whether you call him a men's rights activist, an open carry activist, a boy scout or a red-assed baboon.
An unstable, violent dumpster fire of a human being was able to get and use a weapon for a bloody, deadly crime, and so far, no one has any ideas of how we can prevent these occurrences in the future.

then you should take the lead. What campaigns or legislation should people who don't particularly care about guns,and really are sick of hearing about people getting shot, support?

Reform/abolish the war on drugs

Suicide intervention programs

Better mental healthcare

Focusing on the fact that most killers -- regardless of weapon employed -- have prior criminal histories

Open NICS to private transactions at no cost to seller or buyer

Federal reciprocity

Enhanced funding/enforcement of disqualified purchases

Start treating sellers and owners as allies in interdiction instead of enemies

Low-cost/free safety courses even in schools


At the expense of sounding presumptuous, I'll be bold enough to suggest that most if not all of my proposals would meet with approval or, at worst, minimal opposition from my fellow RKBA advocates.

When pure culture war is allowed to steer the mentality of some people they will concoct, create, and make up b.s. for the purpose of attack. Do you want people like that in your midst? I don't. But some on DU behave like that daily; in fact, they relish that type of behavior to such an extent I wonder whose side they are really working for. So, b.s., untruths and crap WILL be called out. There is no excuse for it.

It seems the media has identified this sick "eff" as both a "men's rights" and "open carry" nutjob

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/iowa-open-carry-nut-gunned-down-mall-worker-who-filed-sexual-harassment-complaints-against-him/

Iowa open-carry nut gunned down mall worker who filed sexual harassment complaints against him

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/6/14/1393260/-Open-Carry-advocate-guns-down-woman-who-complained-of-sexual-harassment

An Iowa mall cop — with a Facebook account loaded with open-carry and right-wing memes and photos of multiple weapons — is under arrest for shooting and killing a fellow mall worker because she filed sexual harassment complaints against him.

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/15/iowa_gun_nut_shoots_woman_to_death_after_she_files_sexual_harassment_complaint/

Iowa gun nut shoots woman to death after she files sexual harassment complaint

Shooter Alex Kozak's Facebook identified him as "a born free, gun toting, Constitution loving American"

is that people who are interested in guns can't be prevailed upon to care about gun crime or reasonable legislation to stem the tide of stupid, needless slaughter because people who aren't interested in guns never seem to use the magic words.

To stem gun crimes. What do you think is reasonable legislation that would make a difference? I'm fine with universal background checks, for example, although I think they'll have a negligible impact.

and you are in favor of universal background checks, then I'll take your word for it. I'll write in support of that. I think the first step would be to not only lift the ban on gun violence research but to fully fund it without reservations or weird restrictions. I'm fully in favor of establishing good science and taking the recommendations of the best researchers in the field.

You mean someone who thinks that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms, then yes I am a gun enthusiast.

With respect to the ban on gun violence research, my understanding is that there is no such ban, though I admit that isn't an issue I've focused on. I did a quick bit of Googling and this article from last year seems to indicate that to the extent there ever was a ban (and it doesn't appear there was a ban but only the CDC's interpretation) it is no longer in place - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2015/01/14/why-the-cdc-still-isnt-researching-gun-violence-despite-the-ban-being-lifted-two-years-ago/. Here's an excerpt:

RKBA vs Activism. One group is open to free speech and discussion of ideas..........

It speaks loads about absolute power, diversity and tolerance.

"Gun Enthusiasts "; some people won't even recognize it as a civil right.

I have not seen any gun enthusiasts ever solicit allies in passing any sort of resolutions or legislation to curb gun crimes. So point to one. I'll donate to the cause or write my legislator, or whatever.

just a rude, toilet-mouthed response. kthxbai.

And now you're expecting 'magic words' from others whom people like you have done everything to antagonize, alienate, and attack?

Hypocrite much?

KTHXBAI

I said:

Every time one of us supports a Democrat, we are working to solve the root causes of many many gun crimes, and it has nothing to do with gun control.

Reducing poverty, increasing equality, increasing opportunity, fixing the economy.

All those things attack and positively effect that which gun control can not.

You responded by copping out and complaining that there was nothing anti-gun in the above.

You said:

being so prevalent, & to help get rid of illegal guns through attrition.

But then NY passed the safe act to register assault weapons and only like 5% complied.

350+million guns, 90 Million owners. And registration is extremely unpopular, so why pass unpopular laws that will be ignored by vast amounts of otherwise lawful people?


Especially when in places like Chicago, they WHO is responsible for 75-80% of gun crimes.

"In a city of 2.7 million people, about 1,400 are responsible for much of the violence"
Mr. Johnson said, and all of them are on what the department calls its Strategic Subject List.
So far this year, more than 70 percent of the people who have been shot in Chicago were on the list, according to the police, as were more than 80 percent of those arrested in connection with shootings.

“We are targeting the correct individuals,” Mr. Johnson said. “We just need our judicial partners and our state legislators to hold these people accountable.”

I have a ton of family in NY. They pointed out that two of three of the chief architects of that law have been "convicted " of corruption since that law was passed. The law was also passed without being allowed out for public comment.