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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:30 PM Jun 2016

None dare call it faith-promoting rumor...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210844#post9


I personally have about 8 guns. All but one is a historic relic. Five designed prior to 1898, two designed in the 1920s, one designed in 1893 and one modern shotgun for bird hunting. I purchased one relic for each of my grandchildren who, when they turn 21, will inherit these pieces of military history (assuming they are willing to purchase a suitable gunsafe and bolt it to the wall). I go for two years or more without laying eyes, much less hands, on one of them. I have not made a purchase in six years.


Hmm, seems that this poster has ...'forgotten', shall we say, that bolt-action rifles and
pump-action shotguns are current US military issue- and are being used as we speak.

What bothers me is that the new buying profile is semi auto current military style weaponry capable of firing several hundred rounds a minute relatively accurately. These buyers are not just collectors or hunters...


I seem to have missed the parts in the Second Amendment where collecting and hunting are mentioned



... they believe they NEED these things to be safe. Safe from who? Safe from people with guns of course. There seems to be no thought for safety for the vast majority of these buyers as given testimony by the hundreds of toddlers shooting themselves and others with mommy and daddy's guns.


"the vast majority"? Bullshit- even this posters' fellow prohibitionists 'gun safety
advocates' say there was 265 accidental shootings by under-18s last year:

http://everytownresearch.org/notanaccident/

...and that from a gun owning population of ca. 80 million. That's still too high, but nowhere
near indicative of a "vast majority of these buyers"

The new buyer is preparing for urban warfare. The guns I own are 55 inches long with barrel lengths of 40 plus inches...


Nonsense, unless the guns they own look like these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabyle_musket

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezail

...(add another 22 inches if the antique bayonet if fixed--makes a good tent pole in a pinch). A wheelchair friendly hallway is less than 40 inches wide. I literally cannot make a 180 degree turn in a wheelchair friendly hall way without bringing these things to a vertical position. An AR-15 with a 20 inch barrel can be carried at the ready in firing position and make that 180 degree maneuver in a non wheelchair friendly hallway. At best my relics can fire 5-6 rounds a minute and can be reloaded in 2 minutes if you aren't under stress.


More nonsense:

https://www.google.com/search?q=reload+bolt+action&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=tactical+reload+bolt+action+

https://www.google.com/search?q=reload+bolt+action&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=tactical+reload+lever+action

https://www.google.com/search?q=reload+bolt+action&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=tactical+reload+pump+action+shotgun

An AR is capable for 700/minute and being reloaded in less than a second.

Like BillH I support strong gun control and want to decrease the number and availability of modern military style weaponry. This shit has just gotten nuts.


Apparently, actual military weaponry is acceptable, as long as it was designed
originally a long time ago.

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None dare call it faith-promoting rumor... (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Jun 2016 #1
That was originally posted in a group that is quite intolerant of dissent, and where... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #2
I for one appreciate your post SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #3
I see, I appologize and will delete. Matt_R Jun 2016 #4
That individual seems to have a complicated relationship with honesty as well as his guns. Marengo Jun 2016 #5
'Royalist' gun control advocates never do explain why *their* guns are acceptable... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #11
Somebody clearly ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #6
All of this information... theatre goon Jun 2016 #7
Minor note DashOneBravo Jun 2016 #8
Sorry ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #12
A couple people in that thread have more guns than my household and yet they repeatedly Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2016 #9
The usual execrement coming from the usual suspects Lurks Often Jun 2016 #10

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
2. That was originally posted in a group that is quite intolerant of dissent, and where...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jun 2016

...I am blocked. In contrast, GC&RKBA enforces no such line

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
5. That individual seems to have a complicated relationship with honesty as well as his guns.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:59 AM - Edit history (1)

It's interesting to note the company he prefers as well, and how his guns and ownership of such a large number are somehow exempted from any criticism.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
11. 'Royalist' gun control advocates never do explain why *their* guns are acceptable...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jun 2016

...while others are not.

Straw Man

(6,775 posts)
6. Somebody clearly ...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:40 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:26 AM - Edit history (1)

An AR is capable for 700/minute and being reloaded in less than a second.

... doesn't understand cyclic rate of fire vs. actual rate of fire.

For starters, an AR is not full-auto. The trigger must be pulled once to fire one round. Can you pull a trigger 700 times in one minute? I highly doubt it.

The 700/minute figure is an extrapolation from the time it takes to fire one magazine on full auto. Standard M16/M4 magazine is 30 rounds. That means it would take a 23.3 magazines to fire 700 rounds. Magazine changes take more than a second -- more like two or three seconds -- so the magazine changes alone would eat up most or all or your minute.

But the real limiting factor is overheating. Firing 700 rounds in a minute, even it were physically possible, would leave your barrel literally red-hot: it would be glowing and might actually deform. The only automatic weapons made for sustained full-auto fire are belt-fed heavy machine guns, and they use water-cooling to deal with this problem.

The actual rate of fire of weapons like the AR-15 is between 70 and 90 rounds per minute. Saying an AR can fire 700 rounds a minute is like saying that because my car is capable of going 100 mph, if I drive it for an hour I will have traveled 100 miles.
 

theatre goon

(87 posts)
7. All of this information...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:03 AM
Jun 2016

...ties back to that whole "why can't we have a cogent discussion about guns" subject that keeps coming up -- the anti-rights side simply won't acknowledge reality. Facts simply don't matter to them, so how can anyone wonder why it is so often so difficult to discuss the subject?

DashOneBravo

(2,679 posts)
8. Minor note
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:24 AM
Jun 2016

Machine guns are air cooled because it's too hard to transport water.
So gunners are trained to fire in short controlled bursts or the barrels will overheat/ melt / warp. This is also why assistant gunners carry spare barrels.

The point you were making is really important because you can't fire that much.

Straw Man

(6,775 posts)
12. Sorry ...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016

I'm thinking of older weapons, like the Browning M1917. Yes, modern machine guns are air-cooled, but as you say, gunners are trained to shoot in short bursts.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. A couple people in that thread have more guns than my household and yet they repeatedly
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jun 2016

claim I'm a gun nuts who has a private arsenal.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
10. The usual execrement coming from the usual suspects
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

They got their safe space: 244 posts in 30 days and 55 DU users blocked

Here: 2324 posts and only 3 DU users blocked

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