Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumNone dare call it faith-promoting rumor...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210844#post9Hmm, seems that this poster has ...'forgotten', shall we say, that bolt-action rifles and
pump-action shotguns are current US military issue- and are being used as we speak.
I seem to have missed the parts in the Second Amendment where collecting and hunting are mentioned
"the vast majority"? Bullshit- even this posters' fellow
advocates' say there was 265 accidental shootings by under-18s last year:
http://everytownresearch.org/notanaccident/
...and that from a gun owning population of ca. 80 million. That's still too high, but nowhere
near indicative of a "vast majority of these buyers"
Nonsense, unless the guns they own look like these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabyle_musket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezail
More nonsense:
https://www.google.com/search?q=reload+bolt+action&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=tactical+reload+bolt+action+
https://www.google.com/search?q=reload+bolt+action&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=tactical+reload+lever+action
https://www.google.com/search?q=reload+bolt+action&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=tactical+reload+pump+action+shotgun
Like BillH I support strong gun control and want to decrease the number and availability of modern military style weaponry. This shit has just gotten nuts.
Apparently, actual military weaponry is acceptable, as long as it was designed
originally a long time ago.
Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)
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friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...I am blocked. In contrast, GC&RKBA enforces no such line
SCantiGOP
(14,250 posts)Needs to be said.
Matt_R
(456 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:59 AM - Edit history (1)
It's interesting to note the company he prefers as well, and how his guns and ownership of such a large number are somehow exempted from any criticism.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...while others are not.
Straw Man
(6,775 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:26 AM - Edit history (1)
... doesn't understand cyclic rate of fire vs. actual rate of fire.
For starters, an AR is not full-auto. The trigger must be pulled once to fire one round. Can you pull a trigger 700 times in one minute? I highly doubt it.
The 700/minute figure is an extrapolation from the time it takes to fire one magazine on full auto. Standard M16/M4 magazine is 30 rounds. That means it would take a 23.3 magazines to fire 700 rounds. Magazine changes take more than a second -- more like two or three seconds -- so the magazine changes alone would eat up most or all or your minute.
But the real limiting factor is overheating. Firing 700 rounds in a minute, even it were physically possible, would leave your barrel literally red-hot: it would be glowing and might actually deform. The only automatic weapons made for sustained full-auto fire are belt-fed heavy machine guns, and they use water-cooling to deal with this problem.
The actual rate of fire of weapons like the AR-15 is between 70 and 90 rounds per minute. Saying an AR can fire 700 rounds a minute is like saying that because my car is capable of going 100 mph, if I drive it for an hour I will have traveled 100 miles.
theatre goon
(87 posts)...ties back to that whole "why can't we have a cogent discussion about guns" subject that keeps coming up -- the anti-rights side simply won't acknowledge reality. Facts simply don't matter to them, so how can anyone wonder why it is so often so difficult to discuss the subject?
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)Machine guns are air cooled because it's too hard to transport water.
So gunners are trained to fire in short controlled bursts or the barrels will overheat/ melt / warp. This is also why assistant gunners carry spare barrels.
The point you were making is really important because you can't fire that much.
Straw Man
(6,775 posts)I'm thinking of older weapons, like the Browning M1917. Yes, modern machine guns are air-cooled, but as you say, gunners are trained to shoot in short bursts.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)claim I'm a gun nuts who has a private arsenal.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)They got their safe space: 244 posts in 30 days and 55 DU users blocked
Here: 2324 posts and only 3 DU users blocked