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DonP

(6,185 posts)
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:29 PM Jun 2016

"No divisive group attacks" Hmmm, wonder if it applies to Democrat Gun owners on DU?

Per Skinner:

"No divisive group attacks
Do not smear, insult, vilify, bait, maliciously caricature, or give disrespectful nicknames to any groups of people that are part of the Democratic coalition, or that hold viewpoints commonly held by Democrats, or that support particular Democratic public figures. Do not imply that they are fake Democrats, fake progressives, conservatives, right-wingers, Republicans, or the like."

Now we'll all get to see if that applies to us or just the primary wars people. Or maybe it's just for show?

Calling us right wing, GOP/NRA shills, et. al. Hell, we have a thread with almost 500 group insults archived.

If it does apply to us, the poor gun control folks won't have much to say.

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"No divisive group attacks" Hmmm, wonder if it applies to Democrat Gun owners on DU? (Original Post) DonP Jun 2016 OP
or pit bull vs nopit bulls hollysmom Jun 2016 #1
So gun grabber would be right out Buzz cook Jun 2016 #2
I think that's about right The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #4
Excellent question, Don -- this will be interesting to follow. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #3
I could be wrong but ..... DonP Jun 2016 #5
I could name several who really should be carefull of what they say. n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #6
My guess, they still figure on the jury system to cover their ass DonP Jun 2016 #7
I expect little change. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #10
Turns out, your expectations have been met: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #14
Change the rules all you want, but there is always special dispensation in DU. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #16
2A progressives along with believers will always be fair game. ileus Jun 2016 #8
We shall see how it goes Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #9
I had a post, I made here, hidden for using the word "grabber" Press Virginia Jun 2016 #11
As does "ammosexual" n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #12
It will ALL be back, sticky floors and all. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #17
"Assault penis" Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #20
Of course not- read the linked OP and comments- but not if you have high blood pressure: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #13
I alerted on an attack directed at me Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #15
There's not much point in alerting. Straw Man Jun 2016 #18
I've noticed a lot of "selective enforcement" RME_SFC Jun 2016 #19
Nope, business as usual sarisataka Jul 2016 #21
Skinner still refuses to answer Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #22
There is a very sarisataka Jul 2016 #24
Yes, it is interesting Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #25
Agreed. But, it is a clear sign of their ongoing impotence DonP Jul 2016 #23
I saw that Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #27
There are those of us who are gun owners Eko Jul 2016 #26
What type(s) of firearm do you own, and why? Marengo Jul 2016 #31
A Pistol. Eko Jul 2016 #32
Did you have a background check performed? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #33
On what? Eko Jul 2016 #35
That firearms transfer Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #37
Why would I do that? Eko Jul 2016 #40
Well it would probably be mandatory Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #41
Interesting. Eko Jul 2016 #42
Universal Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #43
Most people Eko Jul 2016 #44
Yep, I tend to agree Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #45
So Eko Jul 2016 #46
Never tried to set you up Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #47
Ok. Eko Jul 2016 #48
Democratic gun owners - many are here and have been for over a decade blm Jul 2016 #28
Just hard to decide where that "common sense" line is for many people DonP Jul 2016 #29
Let me know when you find out Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #38
No, it does not. n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #30
Such capriciousness shows they cannot be trusted to justly administer the laws they demand. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #34
"Vindictive and cruel" is a component of gun control... beevul Jul 2016 #36
No, of course not Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #39
May I ask a question? Kang Colby Jul 2016 #49
But....but....but......... pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #50

Buzz cook

(2,586 posts)
2. So gun grabber would be right out
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

And Ammo sexual as well. Althouh I suppose either could be applied to non-members.

So Wayne Lapierre would still be an ammo sexual while a democrat that supports the right to bear arms would be.. well a democrat who supports the right to bear arms.

An official that confiscates or supports the confication of firearms would be a gun grabber, while a poster on DU that supports gun control would be.. well you get the idea.

Either that or its about the Bernie vs Hillary stuff.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
4. I think that's about right
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jun 2016

I'm strongly pro RKBA myself, but no matter how much I might disagree with some Democratic politicians on this issue I should get the boot if I attack them personally. The same thing with other DU members; I might be angered, frightened or insulted by their opinions, but I've no right to cast aspersions on their character, nor they on mine, period, end of subject and boot in ass to anyone who can't get behind that, be they the most strident prohibitionist or ardent RKBA enthusiast.

My .02

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
3. Excellent question, Don -- this will be interesting to follow.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

Not optimistic about even-handed enforcement of this rule. I suspect that we will continue to be demonized. After all, the enjoyment of target shooting and desire for self-defense is such a sin, right?
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
5. I could be wrong but .....
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

The personal attacks, the alert stalking, the name calling, the accusations that we are right wing/GOP shills, the running to ATA to demand we all be banned and all the rest of what characterized the ugly primary wars happens in the Gungeon on a regular basis.

I just think the control fans are so deep and dense in their hypocrisy that they actually don't see it as the "incivility" as Skinner has defined it.

They seem to see it, as our moral and ethical superiors, as their right and duty to attack everyone that disagrees with them on the 2nd amendment regardless of facts and reality.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
7. My guess, they still figure on the jury system to cover their ass
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

It's become an easy way to "strike back" against any gun posts and stay anonymous.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
11. I had a post, I made here, hidden for using the word "grabber"
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jun 2016

and it was in the general sense not referencing anyone specific


Meanwhile "gun humper" seems to be an acceptable term.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
15. I alerted on an attack directed at me
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:30 AM
Jun 2016

Called me a "delicate flower" jury let it stand sadly. I asked Skinner in ATA how this direct attack should stand and requested he override the jury. As usuall, do far no answer. Might try a PM to him too.

Straw Man

(6,771 posts)
18. There's not much point in alerting.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jun 2016

I only do it for the most egregious and direct insults, but even then it's about 50-50. I'm thinking I won't bother in the future. In a way, it's a good exercise in self-control: to remain civil when people are heaping abuse on you.

I don't call people "grabbers." I prefer "prohibitionists" or "controllers," which I think are both accurate and neutral. But just for the record, even "grabbers" as a term pales next to "gun humpers" (and its variants), which suggests sexual acts, and "ammosexuals," with its added connotation of anti-gay bias.

 

RME_SFC

(27 posts)
19. I've noticed a lot of "selective enforcement"
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jun 2016

On 2A issues.

As in... Pro-2A are likely to selected for enforcement; anti-2A no so much.

I shall do my best to be on my best behavior.

sarisataka

(21,000 posts)
21. Nope, business as usual
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jul 2016

group smears, misogyny and homophobia are still a-ok as long as it is referring to gunz

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8020318
and about 17 other threads in just one day...

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
22. Skinner still refuses to answer
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:13 AM
Jul 2016

My ATA questions on this. I guess I will ask again for the third time.

sarisataka

(21,000 posts)
24. There is a very
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jul 2016

Lassez-faire management style.

What is surprising to see is how many egregious offenders have been FFR multiple times yet they are still here.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
23. Agreed. But, it is a clear sign of their ongoing impotence
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jul 2016

There is a direct relationship between their failure to get even a small win and their online rage.

The more they fail, the angrier they get.

Only online of course. To date, I still haven't seen a single one of the loudest mouths in GD describe a gun related protest they went to or petition they've started.

Plus the hypocrisy is strong in them. One, who is banned from this group, rants and spews every chance they get, but mentioned in a thread last week; "Well, they sold the high priced target handguns they inherited instead of turning them in to the police for destruction ... because they were expensive target pistols".

So profit comes first, principles when it's convenient.

Still easy and cheap to be an online gun control hero.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
27. I saw that
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jul 2016

He did not seem to care it was pointed out on how he sold weapons to keep them in the hands of ammosexual future murderers.

Eko

(8,491 posts)
32. A Pistol.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jul 2016

Handed down from my father, I keep it for protection also. I had two, gave one to my brother. Do I need it? not really.

Eko

(8,491 posts)
44. Most people
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jul 2016

who are for a UBC allow the exemption of a parent giving a firearm to a child. Most states that have UBC laws do the same, hence why I asked if you could show me where since that is not something that is common with UBC.

Eko

(8,491 posts)
46. So
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jul 2016

You tried to set me up with something that is not true and when I pushed back against it you agree with me. Why would you do that?

blm

(113,820 posts)
28. Democratic gun owners - many are here and have been for over a decade
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jul 2016

without feeling abused and also believe in responsible gun ownership and common sense regulations and training.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
29. Just hard to decide where that "common sense" line is for many people
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

One persons common sense is another persons infringement.

Another person's "reasonable regulation", isn't nearly enough "common sense" for the next guy.

Then we have the "Confiscate and melt 'em all down" crowd in GD.

Then there are the ones that don't want to even discuss the details of a law, call you names if you ask a question about what they mean, then get all pissed off when the "loopholes" they left in the law show up.

Maybe someday I'll finally understand the whole penis fixation too.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
34. Such capriciousness shows they cannot be trusted to justly administer the laws they demand.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:19 AM
Jul 2016

If you're not part of the right group they feel entitled to be vindictive and cruel.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
36. "Vindictive and cruel" is a component of gun control...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:37 PM - Edit history (1)

If you're not part of the right group they feel entitled to be vindictive and cruel.


And because of it, "Vindictive and cruel" is a component of gun control.

In fact, "vindictive and cruel" absolutely drips from most of their posts, and 'vindictive' is the reason they created their own forum and blocked most of us from countering their lies - some even for self deleted posts which the person pressing the block button never saw.

If that isn't vindictive, what is?
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
49. May I ask a question?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jul 2016

Does it really matter what control proponents post on DU? I don't think so.



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