Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumAbout those "weapons of war"...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all semi-automatic weapons which are based on fully automatic/burst design, required by law to be designed substantially different than the actual weapons of war themselves, so that they can not be easily converted to fire full auto/burst?
Designed specifically for the civilian market, in other words?
Doesn't that show as false, the 'weapons of war' talking point, and the 'easily converted' talking point, and the 'designed to hunt humans/take lives quickly/etc' arguments?
Discuss.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)then that isn't enough of a difference to matter.
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(688 posts)Straw Man
(6,760 posts)A conversion is much more complicated than that, and in any case, it's illegal.
sarisataka
(20,896 posts)def: to a large degree:
Serious crime is down substantially.
(Definition of substantially from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)
If something can be changed with a file and a few minutes, that would not be substantial.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)since 1994 the lowers have been produced so you can't do that.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)he bought it right after the bill passed
And it's patterned after the A2 which was in service in the late 80's and early 90's
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)After he died I was visited by the ATF. Seems that they had been going over some older Colt records looking for the owners of early AR's. The early Colts were all made on one production line, receivers for semi autos were simply pulled from the full auto line and had a semi FCG installed. Full auto BCG were used.
Since they were built before the law changed I was permitted to register them and get tax stamps.
So now I have three semi auto/full autos. They are, at this time, safe queens.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Bet you read that on the internet
scscholar
(2,902 posts)He would know.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)go bang
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)do you know what a firing pin does?
scscholar
(2,902 posts)"auto filing down the firing pin" It obviously does something.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Go ahead, file one down and have your doorstep.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Go any evidence to prove your side?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)200,000 posts saying that filing down a firing pin is idiotic and will never work except to make a weapon misfire or more likely not fire at all.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)You can also find some with the key words "sarcastic" and "joke" along with ideas like load the bullets in the magazine backwards and use wd40 to make them extra fast.
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(688 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)The target will burst into flames
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Straw Man
(6,760 posts)Go any evidence to prove your side?
I got 726,000 hits on "Donald Trump is a woman." Can they all be wrong?
DonP
(6,185 posts)Your "font of knowledge" on firearms is a quick Google search with no discretionary screening.
Google "Dragons" or "Faeries" and you'll also get a few hundred thousand people claiming they exist today.
Your "friend of a friend's" story is pure BS. The firing pin in an AR15 is a free floating alloy pin that rides in the bolt and bolt carrier and relies on the Fire Control Group for it's action, e.g. single shot, burst or full auto.
(Pssst, many of the the people in this group are real former military with combat MOS designations. So think before you try and pull the "I know a military expert" card)
By simple design and physics, anything you do to the firing pin has no effect on the type or rate of fire. That comes from the fire control group.
All "filing" can do is make it too short to strike the primer, soooo no bang at all.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...filing down the firing pin could definitely have an effect on rate of fire, from one round every pull of the trigger to ZERO rounds every pull.
You aren't going to do jack squat by filing the firing pin except to make your firearm non-functional.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)RME_SFC
(27 posts)I can write really fast with it now. Someone told me that I didn't have a "pen" that it was actually a pencil... which explained why it ignited rather than melted... and the filing at the end made it easier to write with.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)It obviously does something....time to break out my old 1st Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook!
How long do you think it will take me to get to 18th level so I can cast 9th level spells?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)About 985,000 results.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)I guess that proves it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Really. The hydraulics is amazin'.
sarisataka
(20,896 posts)Submarine tail gunner?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)you convert it into a non-working wall hanging. Please don't pretend to knowledge you lack....
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,565 posts)...the interwebs tell me that it morphs into a gun-shaped doorstop.
ETA: Look down........ See.......
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Of someone filing down a firing pin to convert a weapon to full auto and committing a crime with that weapon in the US. Otherwise this is a theoretical argument.
DustyJoe
(849 posts)You file that down and you have created a gun shaped door stop
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)My bolt action rifles are more a weapon of war than my AR-15 pattern rifles.
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(688 posts)This is not:
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)Take it away.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)If the gun can be "easily converted" to full-auto, it cannot be marketed in the USA.
benEzra
(12,148 posts)even if not actually converted. That's why there are no civilian semiautos that fire from an open bolt.
The civilian AK, civilian AR-15, etc. do indeed have internal differences from the restricted military/government select-fire models that make them as difficult to convert as any other civilian semiauto.