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beevul

(12,194 posts)
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:43 PM Jun 2016

About those "weapons of war"...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all semi-automatic weapons which are based on fully automatic/burst design, required by law to be designed substantially different than the actual weapons of war themselves, so that they can not be easily converted to fire full auto/burst?

Designed specifically for the civilian market, in other words?

Doesn't that show as false, the 'weapons of war' talking point, and the 'easily converted' talking point, and the 'designed to hunt humans/take lives quickly/etc' arguments?


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About those "weapons of war"... (Original Post) beevul Jun 2016 OP
If you can convert something to full-auto just by filing down the firing pin... scscholar Jun 2016 #1
What guns can be converted in that manner? Specifics, please. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #2
Except that you can't. Straw Man Jun 2016 #3
substantially sarisataka Jun 2016 #5
You'd be right if it could be done. Pre-ban weapons all you needed was a drop in sear pin Press Virginia Jun 2016 #6
I believe that it is closer to 1975. n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #12
Nope. Father in law has a pre-ban and a drop in Press Virginia Jun 2016 #14
I have three A1's from 1968 that I inhereted from my Dad. oneshooter Jun 2016 #36
File the firing pin, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #9
I also heard that from someone that fought in Viet Nam and in Grenada scscholar Jun 2016 #11
Evidently he doesn't know what makes the bang stick Press Virginia Jun 2016 #15
that is a nice story Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #17
There's over 200,000 results on Google for... scscholar Jun 2016 #18
Post one that says it works with proof, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #19
So you're claiming over 200,000 results are wrong scscholar Jun 2016 #20
200,000 is a lot of posts confirming it will not work. Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #21
I read a few discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #24
I heard spraying teflon on the bullets makes them armor piercing! Just reading posts Jun 2016 #26
If you dip the tips in hot sauce Press Virginia Jun 2016 #28
I'm just glad I'm not reading this while drinking discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #29
Just find one. With 200,000 leads it should be easy Press Virginia Jun 2016 #27
Wrong results. Straw Man Jun 2016 #35
This is why no one takes gun control people seriously DonP Jun 2016 #38
Well, to be honest... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #41
Yup Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #39
"Phony Beatlemania:" Promo guy buys 10 records/shop resulting in a "HIT!" Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #44
I filed down my firing pen. RME_SFC Jun 2016 #45
I just Googled "how to cast real magic spells that work". There were over 600,000 results. Just reading posts Jun 2016 #22
Google fake gun stories, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author jtx Jun 2016 #30
There's over 217,000 results on Google for "moon landing was faked" LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #37
Pre-Inet, but: Millions of Texas boys sez you can pick up a girl with a 6-pack of Lone Star. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #43
Was he a sarisataka Jun 2016 #33
That was a hoot discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #34
If you file down the firing pin... catnhatnh Jun 2016 #13
Incorrect.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #25
Please identify any example TeddyR Jun 2016 #31
firing pin ? DustyJoe Jun 2016 #4
Shhhh! Gun grabbers are telling us about guns Press Virginia Jun 2016 #7
Yes, they are so proud of that knowledge Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #10
Yes Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #8
Exactly right. This is a weapon of war: Just reading posts Jun 2016 #16
The one on the bottom scary. shadowrider Jun 2016 #42
Exactly right. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #32
If a gun is easily converted to full auto, it is considered a machinegun under Federal law benEzra Jun 2016 #40
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
1. If you can convert something to full-auto just by filing down the firing pin...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

then that isn't enough of a difference to matter.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
3. Except that you can't.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jun 2016

A conversion is much more complicated than that, and in any case, it's illegal.

sarisataka

(20,896 posts)
5. substantially
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jun 2016
def: to a large degree:
Serious crime is down substantially.
(Definition of substantially from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)


If something can be changed with a file and a few minutes, that would not be substantial.
 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
6. You'd be right if it could be done. Pre-ban weapons all you needed was a drop in sear pin
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jun 2016

since 1994 the lowers have been produced so you can't do that.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
14. Nope. Father in law has a pre-ban and a drop in
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jun 2016

he bought it right after the bill passed

And it's patterned after the A2 which was in service in the late 80's and early 90's

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
36. I have three A1's from 1968 that I inhereted from my Dad.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:08 AM
Jun 2016

After he died I was visited by the ATF. Seems that they had been going over some older Colt records looking for the owners of early AR's. The early Colts were all made on one production line, receivers for semi autos were simply pulled from the full auto line and had a semi FCG installed. Full auto BCG were used.
Since they were built before the law changed I was permitted to register them and get tax stamps.
So now I have three semi auto/full autos. They are, at this time, safe queens.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
18. There's over 200,000 results on Google for...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jun 2016

"auto filing down the firing pin" It obviously does something.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
21. 200,000 is a lot of posts confirming it will not work.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jun 2016

200,000 posts saying that filing down a firing pin is idiotic and will never work except to make a weapon misfire or more likely not fire at all.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
24. I read a few
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jun 2016

You can also find some with the key words "sarcastic" and "joke" along with ideas like load the bullets in the magazine backwards and use wd40 to make them extra fast.

Straw Man

(6,760 posts)
35. Wrong results.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jun 2016
So you're claiming over 200,000 results are wrong

Go any evidence to prove your side?

I got 726,000 hits on "Donald Trump is a woman." Can they all be wrong?
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
38. This is why no one takes gun control people seriously
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jun 2016

Your "font of knowledge" on firearms is a quick Google search with no discretionary screening.

Google "Dragons" or "Faeries" and you'll also get a few hundred thousand people claiming they exist today.

Your "friend of a friend's" story is pure BS. The firing pin in an AR15 is a free floating alloy pin that rides in the bolt and bolt carrier and relies on the Fire Control Group for it's action, e.g. single shot, burst or full auto.

(Pssst, many of the the people in this group are real former military with combat MOS designations. So think before you try and pull the "I know a military expert" card)

By simple design and physics, anything you do to the firing pin has no effect on the type or rate of fire. That comes from the fire control group.

All "filing" can do is make it too short to strike the primer, soooo no bang at all.

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
41. Well, to be honest...
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

...filing down the firing pin could definitely have an effect on rate of fire, from one round every pull of the trigger to ZERO rounds every pull.

Puha Ekapi

(594 posts)
39. Yup
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

You aren't going to do jack squat by filing the firing pin except to make your firearm non-functional.

 

RME_SFC

(27 posts)
45. I filed down my firing pen.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

I can write really fast with it now. Someone told me that I didn't have a "pen" that it was actually a pencil... which explained why it ignited rather than melted... and the filing at the end made it easier to write with.

 

Just reading posts

(688 posts)
22. I just Googled "how to cast real magic spells that work". There were over 600,000 results.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jun 2016

It obviously does something....time to break out my old 1st Edition Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook!

How long do you think it will take me to get to 18th level so I can cast 9th level spells?

Response to scscholar (Reply #18)

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
43. Pre-Inet, but: Millions of Texas boys sez you can pick up a girl with a 6-pack of Lone Star.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

Really. The hydraulics is amazin'.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
13. If you file down the firing pin...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jun 2016

you convert it into a non-working wall hanging. Please don't pretend to knowledge you lack....

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
25. Incorrect....
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jun 2016

...the interwebs tell me that it morphs into a gun-shaped doorstop.




ETA: Look down........ See.......

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
31. Please identify any example
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jun 2016

Of someone filing down a firing pin to convert a weapon to full auto and committing a crime with that weapon in the US. Otherwise this is a theoretical argument.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
40. If a gun is easily converted to full auto, it is considered a machinegun under Federal law
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jun 2016

even if not actually converted. That's why there are no civilian semiautos that fire from an open bolt.

The civilian AK, civilian AR-15, etc. do indeed have internal differences from the restricted military/government select-fire models that make them as difficult to convert as any other civilian semiauto.

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