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Eugene

(62,656 posts)
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:35 PM Jun 2016

Hawaii becomes first U.S. state to place gun owners on FBI database

Source: Reuters

World | Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:02pm EDT

Hawaii becomes first U.S. state to place gun owners on FBI database

LOS ANGELES | BY ALEX DOBUZINSKIS

Hawaii's governor signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to place its residents who own firearms in a federal criminal record database and monitor them for possible wrongdoing anywhere in the country, his office said.

The move by gun control proponents in the liberal state represents an effort to institute some limits on firearms in the face of a bitter national debate over guns that this week saw Democratic lawmakers stage a sit-in at the U.S. House of Representatives.

Hawaii Governor David Ige, a Democrat, on Thursday signed into law a bill to have police in the state enroll people into an FBI criminal monitoring service after they register their firearms as already required, his office said in a statement.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation database called "Rap Back" will allow Hawaii police to be notified when a firearm owner from the state is arrested anywhere in the United States.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hawaii-gun-law-idUSKCN0ZA3IP
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Hawaii becomes first U.S. state to place gun owners on FBI database (Original Post) Eugene Jun 2016 OP
I don't understand why people are objecting to this so much scscholar Jun 2016 #1
How will it reduce crime? nt ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #2
Crickets Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #8
I'm hoping to get an actual reason. ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #11
There are 3 problems discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #12
How? Because criminals (already dutifully registered) don't mind being recorded by the FBI. See? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #15
How? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #4
Oh you know...registered guns can't shoot Press Virginia Jun 2016 #6
Oh, that's right, I forgot Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #7
Every gun owner should be in a database mwrguy Jun 2016 #3
Why? Press Virginia Jun 2016 #5
Good question Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #9
EVERYONE in the US... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #10
How is this not a violation of FOPA? beevul Jun 2016 #13
It probably is and this will be in court in about 5 minutes DonP Jun 2016 #14

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
11. I'm hoping to get an actual reason.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jun 2016

I'm not against firearm regulations, but I need to understand how a new law will reduce gun violence before I support it.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
12. There are 3 problems
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

1. Registered cars still speed and run red lights. I'm not sure about you but, when I'm driving, I usually pay attention to the speed limit. I don't do that strictly because of the chances of being ticketed by the police. I do that mostly because the posted limit is a reasonable speed for conditions. Most drivers have come to rely posted limits, partially to avoid the consequences of a ticket but mostly because they're a good guide.

2. An individual who has had his gun "stolen" might then go replace it. Perhaps in a few months, the new gun may also be "stolen" . This kind of thing can't go on forever but maybe a few others are "lost" in rough seas while boating or "lost" while camping. None of those are crimes nor should they be.

3. Now and then there will be someone with criminal intentions who doesn't have a gun and can't find a "friend" from whom he can "steal" one. He may have a friend who has a friend that does have a gun or he may just look up someone who has a gun on the public database. Since this guy with a criminal need for a gun has no special apprehension over hurting folks he doesn't know and that don't know him, he waits for the gun owner, hidden on the owner's walk from his car to his door. Knocks him out with an unregistered crow bar or pipe wrench, steals his keys, ransacks his home until he finds the gun and steals the gun. Maybe he's chosen a gun owner with a few registered guns. He can get a gun and a backup and sell a few to other criminals who won't register them.

The problem with many of these laws is that they are marketed to voters as crime prevention and gun-control.

Control is a myth and the best means to prevent crime is through empowering the public to help. Sometimes that empowerment may be an advertising campaign about safe storage. Sometimes that might include the police giving out discount coupons for gun locks. It could include setting up a means for local police or sheriff's offices to run voluntary BGCs for private sellers who want to be sure that they aren't selling to a prohibited person.

Given the chance and a means to do so, most folks will work to improve the world but the carrot usually yields better than the stick.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
15. How? Because criminals (already dutifully registered) don't mind being recorded by the FBI. See?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jun 2016

Actually, culture war is no fun if you can't go after everyday citizens. Criminals? Hey, they're cool -- see their stories on T.V. and in the movies!

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
10. EVERYONE in the US...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jun 2016

...IS in a database.

We have this thing called the NSA. They work with the NRO. The FBI "cooperates". When they don't/won't, one of those TLAs has a "cooperating" foreign intelligence service do the work.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
13. How is this not a violation of FOPA?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jun 2016

Can someone explain that to me please?

No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926


 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
14. It probably is and this will be in court in about 5 minutes
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jun 2016

Just have to line up the plaintiffs, if they haven't already.

But since when has breaking a Federal law been out of the reach of gun control people?

I'll be watching for a move for an injunction on this in the next month or so. Then we'll see squealing and ranting about how nobody can take this to court, just because.

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