Gun Control & RKBA

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts) Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:12 PM Jun 2016

That fake antigun 'ad' is back- and the rubes have fallen for it yet again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017388321

But first, a little explanation for those unfamiliar:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017388321#post25

Thanks to beevul for posting this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172168674

Remember that fake gun store in NY that SUPGV opened up and took video of?

In an exclusive, the Shooter’s Log has learned that actors were used to portray customers in a fake gun shop “public service announcement” produced by States United Against Gun Violence earlier this year.

The New York City Mayor’s Office of Media has confirmed these facts in its response to a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request submitted in March.

“States United To Prevent Gun Violence opens a ‘gun store’ in NYC as a hidden camera social experiment to debunk safety myths,” the CeaseFire USA project claimed in its description of the video. The “social experiment,” like the “gun shop” itself, was pre-arranged, permits approved by the city indicate.

“Actors are interviewed on camera in a fake gun store,” the permits’ scene descriptions reveal.

It had previously been known that the “gun store proprietor” behind the counter was an actor—and one who has previously made a living glorifying fake “gun violence”—but up until now, speculation about if the “customers” were also plants has been just that.

http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/group-actors-nyc-gun-store-facade/

March FOIL Request:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266265840/NYC-FOIL-Request-Transcript-Electronically-Submitted-to-Records-Access-Officer

May FOIL Response:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266266021/NYC-Foil-Cover-Email

PSA Permit, March 10:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266266993/PSA-Permit-310

PSA Permit, March 11:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267126/PSA-Permit-311

PSA Permit, March 12:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267307/PSA-Permit-312

PSA Project Information:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266267519/Gun-Control-PSA-Project-Information-Redacted

Certificate of Insurance:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266268035/Rival-School-Pictures-Guns-With-History-Clientst-Certificate-of-Insurance-Redacted

If Maddow wasn't in on it, the creators certainly were:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/states-united-to-prevent-gun-violence-opens-gun-store-in-manhattan-as-hidden-camera-social-experiment-to-debunk-safety-myths-300051787.html

Note: emphasis added

NEW YORK, March 17, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- According to a recent survey, six out of ten Americans believe owning a firearm makes homes safer. But studies show the opposite to be true: owning a gun can actually increase risk of injury and death for you and those around you.

To debunk this perception, States United to Prevent Gun Violence, a national non-profit organization dedicated to making our families and communities safer, did the unthinkable: they opened a "gun store" on Manhattan's Lower East Side and invited first-time gun buyers to check it out as part of a hidden camera social experiment.

"first-time gun buyers" who were all paid actors.

Upon entering the doors of the storefront, potential customers were shocked...

Only if they had forgotten the script

...with some unsettling history behind each gun model, including their use in some of the most emotionally charged mass shootings, unintentional shootings, homicides and suicides. States United to Prevent Gun Violence captured the shoppers' stunned reactions...

Good to see method acting still has some followers..

...via hidden cameras.

Today they launch the powerful #GunsWithHistory PSA which aims to inform people who are interested in purchasing guns for safety of the potential risks and unpredictable outcomes.

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Highlight:

That fake antigun 'ad' is back- and the rubes have fallen for it yet again: (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 OP

Saw that, lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #1

The fact that they used accidental deaths and suicides in a campaign to end gun violence Press Virginia Jun 2016 #2

What if a person just wanted to buy the gun and wishes to skip the lecture from the clerk? bluestateguy Jun 2016 #3

Are you serious? There *were* no guns to be sold- they were fake as well friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #4

Even so. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #10

I could say the same about a car dealership Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #5

Clearly, we should ban THAT model of minivan. appal_jack Jun 2016 #6

General reaction from the control gang - "Well, it could have been true!" DonP Jun 2016 #7

They rely on deception, it's the only way to further their agenda. ileus Jun 2016 #8

Heh. Borrowed the idea from anti-choice activists and their anti-abortion clinics. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #9

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)

1. Saw that, lol

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:19 PM

Jun 2016

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)

2. The fact that they used accidental deaths and suicides in a campaign to end gun violence

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:21 PM

Jun 2016

pretty much tells you they have no intention of being truthful.

Anyone who's been in a gun store would be able to tell it was fake

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)

3. What if a person just wanted to buy the gun and wishes to skip the lecture from the clerk?

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:09 PM

Jun 2016

Can he/she do that?

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)

4. Are you serious? There *were* no guns to be sold- they were fake as well

Reply to bluestateguy (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:33 PM

Jun 2016

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)

10. Even so.

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:08 PM

Jul 2016

Let's pretend for a second it's real.

I walk into a gun shop, and some barista type behind the counter starts lecturing me about their gun control fetish.

Me, "yeah, I disagree, I'll take the Kel-tec Sub 200 gen deuce, please hand me a 4473".

I'm not one of those folks who conjures up Poe's "The Raven" at the thought of a new firearm being brought into my home.

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)

5. I could say the same about a car dealership

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:49 PM

Jun 2016

This exact model of car mowed down 10 people in a parade last year.

This model of minivan was involved in a fatal DUI last night.

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)

6. Clearly, we should ban THAT model of minivan.

Reply to Travis_0004 (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 10:19 PM

Jun 2016

Yeah, that will solve DUI's once and for all...

-app

DonP

(6,185 posts)

7. General reaction from the control gang - "Well, it could have been true!"

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 07:54 AM

Jun 2016

The fact that they were conned into believing a phony reality play twice now has no impact on them. It has now entered into their mythology and in their mind, or what passes for it, is reality. Kind of like the Kellerman "Study" is an act of faith in their world.

They never let reality cramp their style.

As we've seen in the past few weeks, the real world has little or nothing to do with their agenda.

ileus

(15,396 posts)

8. They rely on deception, it's the only way to further their agenda.

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 09:41 AM

Jun 2016

They know their true followers will gobble up anything, but they have to lie to get common support from the unknowing.

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)

9. Heh. Borrowed the idea from anti-choice activists and their anti-abortion clinics.

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 09:42 AM

Jun 2016

Those things are all over in Texas, and well-funded.

"Social experiment." Like Japanese whale "research."

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