Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumGhost Gunner 2 moves AR production to the living room
3D pioneers Defense Distributed has taken gun manufacturing to the next level with the Ghost Gunner 2, a do-it-yourself CNC mill programmed to complete unfinished AR lower receivers. The company introduced the machine last week after spending two years upgrading the technology.
While building a gun at home may appeal to the self-reliant, the Ghost Gunner 2 is also another way for patrons to thumb their nose at government regulators. Referencing language used by a California lawmaker, the machine was designed so laymen could complete ghost guns, or unserialized AR rifles, in just a few mouse clicks. The $1,500 set-up includes the mill, mounting jigs, software, instructions and pre-loaded design files.
Although federal law permits unlicensed manufacturing of firearms, unfinished AR lower receivers toe the line. Businesses that sell unfinished lowers, or 80 percent receivers, can do so as long as theyre not pre-drilled, cast or dimpled. However, actually finishing one can be a sensitive issue.
The ATF issued Rul. 2015-1 early last year that said home gunsmiths must use their own tools to manufacture their own firearms. Because of the revision, you kind of have to own your own equipment, said Cody Wilson, founder of Defense Distributed, in a phone interview with Guns.com. He added that the Ghost Gunner 2 brings the building process down to an individual, consumer level.
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gejohnston
(17,502 posts)self publishing and pamphleteers, technology will bring back the local gunsmith. Of course, you can get a couple of these and a manufactures license and create a niche market.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)And a few other minor things, like raw material, and you can make all the AR-15's you want...In metal....
And gun control advocates arguments become even more moot.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...some issues with the quality of the final machining with this unit, and it can be done with absolutely PERFECT results for a lot less invested in tools. I've completed four lowers....3 AR-15's and an AR-10...using an 80% jig, a drill press and a router and they are absolutely flawless. No paperwork, no serial number, no registration, no trail along with a big middle finger and a FU to the grabbers. What's not to like?
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Puha Ekapi
(594 posts).."80% Arms". I use their Easy Jig (you can find better deals on lowers elsewhere) and there are a ton of videos online.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)The students have access for projects 24/7. Card swipe access w/no supervision.
Damn those engineering students.
Puha Ekapi
(594 posts)...who made a very fine AR-15 receiver from a "0% billet" using a Bridgeport mill in his garage. Are they gonna ban these?
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I also know of another who made a very nice AK pattern rifle receiver from....wait for it....a shovel.
bolus
(14 posts)I've made 3 AR15 receivers, 3 1911 pistol receivers, 1 Sig Sauer p228 receiver, a glock 17 compatible receiver and a 50 BMG single shot rifle receiver all from "untraceable ghost gun" 80% receivers. If only the media knew of what you can make at home with hand tools, a router form home depot and a drill at home
...to try a 1911. How much more involved is that as compared to an 80% AR receiver?
bolus
(14 posts)I've done 3 with no experience and just watched youtube videos on how to do them. If you do a drop in parts kit then all that is needed is cutting the rails on the receiver and drilling 3 pin holes and then putting the parts together.
If you decide on a match parts kit or buying match parts individually, then every part needs to be hand fit together. Still doable but you will need a lot more specialty tools to finish and it takes a great deal longer. But you get to fit the parts together perfectly and it is much more satisfying to complete one.
Stealth Arms makes a good jig for finishing a receiver by hand (plus a drill). Matrix Precision also makes very good 1911 jigs for finishing a receiver by hand. I have both. The matrix ones are more expensive but make it a lot easier to finish one by hand. There are jigs for using machine shop tools as well but I dont have a milling machine.
search for "mosinvirus" on youtube. He has videos where he makes several 1911's and gives very good step by step instructions
Here is the first one I did.
Thanks for the info. Nice looking pistol too
DonP
(6,185 posts)With technology evolving as fast as it is, the legislature and Gov. Brown may need to get Leland Yee a pardon, so he can help them draft more control legislation to keep everyone "safe".
While they're at it better ban aluminum assault billets too.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)Never dawns on the California brain trust that the Genie just ain't going back in that bottle, no matter how many laws they pass.
Just like Cook County, passed a law with a $25 surcharge on every firearms sold in the County and their budget counted on $2 million in revenue from that, from the 5 gun stores still within County limits.
Guess what? The real "take" was way less than $200,00 for almost 2 years and they are scratching their pointy little heads about the "shortfall". It's the same thing with hiking the taxes on gasoline.
People, including me, voted with our feet and wallets.