Well?

If bars can be held responsible for over serving someone that leaves and causes an accident. (dram shop laws)

Then a business that chooses to deny the right to carry where it's legal, can be held at least partially responsible for anything that happens on their property.

After all, a lot of folks want to hold gun makers responsible for 3rd party actions. This is the same thing.

to suggest that keeping guns out of a business is the same liability that a bar faces for serving a drunk patron who later harms others or themselves later is about the stupidest thing ever posted on DU.

and you should stop it.

But "Stupid" coming from you is really funny, considering your pathetic track record. Not even worth altering on.

I said "bars are held responsible for over serving".

But you control minded folks are all desperate to try and hold gun manufacturers responsible for 3rd party acts by repealing the PLCAA. Tennessee is holding the business owner responsible in the same way for 3rd party acts. If they forbid concealed, carry they just assume the responsibility for your safety.

Probably just another rider to their insurance policies. Aren't all the control minded folks big on insurance too?

Lol, pathetic gun control strikes again and loses.

22 years and counting since the last Federal gun control law was passed, still waiting for that tipping point.

In the meantime violent crime continues to fall to record low rates.

You have a swell day.

You made the ridiculous comparison now own it.

And now everyone who sees it is going to think you're gun trolling and it's going to ruin your credibility with them from now on.

That's pretty much the total extent of gun control activism Harsh words online and little else.

In the meantime, you just have a really swell week. I have 2 new concealed carry classes starting this week to get ready for. You'll be happy to know one is all Pink Pistol members. That will bring the total of carriers I've trained and certified so far to over 100.

You see, you control fans only "live" online. We do things in the real world. That's what makes it and its "members" pathetic as a "movement".

Right after you made it?

Problem with honesty and taking responsibility for your words?

God help us if you own lots of weapons.

I said;

"If bars can be held responsible for over serving someone that leaves and causes an accident. (dram shop laws)

Then a business that chooses to deny the right to carry where it's legal, can be held at least partially responsible for anything that happens on their property.

After all, a lot of folks want to hold gun makers responsible for 3rd party actions. This is the same thing."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=196782

Somehow, you came up with; "A bar faces no liability for not serving alcohol". Something no one said. Oh, and it's "stupid" and I should be ashamed, blah, blah etc., without elaborating on why, not that you could anyway.

If all they do is paste a frickin' sign on a window, magically declaring it is a gun free zone and absolving them of any responsibility, then forbid licensed people from carrying, they should be held at least partially liable for their safety. Seems a lot of voters in Tennessee feel the same way and don't give a crap what anyone else thinks.

Locations with real security, courthouses, airports etc. have screening with metal detectors, x-rays, not just good wishes and failed hopes.

But feel free to send a check to gun control this morning and tell them that you want that damn stupid Tennessee law reversed. We'll wait here and watch.

No wonder gun control is such a train wreck with logic and insight like this involved.

stop being dishonest about something you posted upthread. you said it, everyone can see it.

it's over. it's a bankrupt argument and you're running away from it like it's chasing you, so weak are your convictions.

I'm heading to the range today with a bunch of other vets, my cop and fireman friends and family and my WW I and WW II rifle collection to celebrate the 4th.

That's way more important than bothering with your repetitive whining and impotent demands.

No wonder gun control continues to be such a loser.

You remind me of the great comedic actor Redd Foxx, when he was moved to a would-be fist fight: Arms & fists shooting up, down, sideways. But the danger was greatest to the guy sitting ten feet behind! But it is only a distant reminder.

it's now a parallel universe for sure.

caused by guns?

Same reason you can't sue Ford for being hit by a drunk driver or sue the Hotpoint people if you leave the stove on and burn your house down.

Manufacturers are not held responsible for 3rd party actions with legal products.

Gun owners are already held responsible for any criminal actions they take.

responsible?

I heard she doesn't much like ineffective gun control either.

Interesting how the logic is developing that having a gun gives you access to 100 percent security, and other people are responsible for it.

so when was a CCW holder responsible for a mass shooting?

That's pretty thin gruel.

hardly the public rampage at the local grocery store

3 people injured before a legal CC carrier took out the shooter.

But it's a Catch 22, since he stopped the shootings before he could shoot more people.

never ever ever has a person with a CCW stopped a crime.

Wow

Oh yeah - his 3 kids don't count - I forgot your rules

from your family than the random gun owner

They don't. #onlygundeathsmatter

I am willing to bet you also oppose Project Childsafe...

I have made no personal insults - why do feel the need

Simple observation based on similar posters.

Please correct me if I am wrong

has spoke volumes

Talk about fear

even though they pose no threat to you

your fear what is no threat to you

Not sure what your point is.

i have no idea what your comment means regarding 300 mass shootings per year. What are you talking about?

And in 7 years you come up with what now, 2 concealed carriers so far out of at least 2,200 according the Everytown for Gun Control?

It just doesn't look like legal concealed carriers are really a problem to anyone with basic math skills.

http://www.shootingtracker.com/

But, it's still a free country and you're entitled to your gun control obsession, ineffective and pathetic as it seems to be.

After all it's not like it costs anything to be a gun control fan anyway. No dues, no vacation time used, no travel to protest anywhere, probably can't even find any gun control T-shirts for sale.

saving the school marm fantasies

your fear of guns isn't rational

I can see why you'd fear them

I don't think that makes you any better than someone who " needs a gun to get through life", though civility prevents me from specifying how much less better I mean.

if you are using accurate statistics. You are afraid of a demographic that is statistically more law abiding and more responsible with firearms than the police. On the other hand, it is a rational fear if you happen to be in the home invasion business or just like to beat people's head in, but not for the average peaceful person. You are more likely to be murdered by an ISIS or AQ operative or any other rapid mass murderer than a CCW holder. Even that is pretty rare. That makes it irrational.
On the other hand, if you enter the "triangle of stupid", like stiff your pot dealer or your bookie, then that is another problem.

OSHA wouldn't certify citizens with guns as an "Occupational Hazard" for them, so they can't claim Workman's Comp benefits if shot while committing a crime.

So it just makes sense that they are on the same side as other gun control fans.

But I love how the control folks love to cite the CDC numbers of shootings and suicides and ignore the same report's numbers of DGUs.

Quite a few of this week's celebrated California gun control bills and laws were first introduced by Brady Campaign Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll member Leland Yee.

Unfortunately the former Senator was unable to attend Governor Brown's signing as Mr Yee is currently residing in the Federal Correctional Institution, Fort Worth. While making sure California citizens didn't have the dangerous "assault rifles", the Senator was also selling fully automatic weapons and shoulder fired missles to an undercover FBI agent. In addition he was taking bribes from organized crime.

Sadly I have not seen him receive credit for originally proposing these gun controls. Just vague reference to a "Senator who has since resigned"

Not to mention so many others that went up the river for assorted fraud, child porn and bribery charges or couldn't get re-elected for their gun control stance that Bloomie had to quietly let the whole group fade away.

As for Yee ... well, to be fair, it is hard to get that orange jump suit color properly lit in signing ceremony photographs.

"Resigned" ... that's really cute.

the ones most against weapon free zones, vocally, are the NRA, Trump and many Republican congress people.

Strange as the NRA doesn't allow personal weapon for those attending their conventions. Trump does not allow any weapons at his rallies and Congress does not allow weapons for visitor.

Don't they want to be safe?

there might be a difference

The one where the NRA are the hypocrites, instead of gun controllers.

Like the one where "the CDC can't do research", then they start quoting CDC numbers.

Like the one where "the CDC can't do research", then they start quoting CDC numbers.

Poor little babies. If they fall, does that count? Their gun may have protected them from the floor. Are these "real" men? What a bunch of pansies. I need my gun like a little boy who's playing cowboy and refuses to put his guns away. Sick people for sure.

When they don't realize just how weak the gun control movement really is. It is laws like this that expose just how weak they truly are. Take away one man's money (Bloomberg) and see how quick they collapse.

O, and if you refuse my ability to defend myself, by posting silly signs, it is only fair that YOU, be held responsible for my safety.

July 2, 2016, will be remembered as the day the "no guns allowed" signs in most privately owned businesses went down in Tennessee.