problems:
http://www.medicalmalpracticelawyer.center/2014/05/new-study-confirms-440000-deat.html

what? guns don't kill people, doctors who went into medicine for the paychecks kill people?

Of course a site called "medicalmalpracticelawyer" just might be prejudiced?

Go to page 25 it begins to list cause of death for whites then scroll down to page 34 it lists blacks...

Suicide is #10 for all whites, both sexes and all age groups. (page 25) (homicide is included in 'all other deaths')

Homicide is #8 for all blacks, both sexes and all age groups. (page 34) (suicide is included in 'all other deaths')

Like I said, it does not separate out for guns, but it is quite an eye opener!

P.S. thanks for that link...here it is in case someone missed it and want to see some shocking stats!

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_02.pdf

For fatal injuries: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_inj.html
For non-fatal injuries: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html

For more detailed info.

Now its NOT the number of guns, but the percentage of "gun ownership" that's important.



UIsing a blog from 2013, BTW...

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/08/conservative-media-misread-data-to-declare-gun/193961

NRAtalkingPoint!©, NRAtalkingPoint!©, NRAtalkingPoint!© Over and over and over. They know how the 'tubes work, and being for the most part slacktivists, just say it over and over and over. Not hard to figure out.

After that you have hunting, competition, and collecting firearms.

Totals could be in the billions more if everyone were to be 2A progressives instead of 25%.

In an interview just last week on camera, he said that violent crime is lower than anytime in the last 40 years.

So are they saying the President is wrong and lying to America?

That's pretty harsh criticism with no back up.

After all, he has all kinds of "studies", cooked to say just about anything (but mostly "guns are bad&quot .

... somebody could post the video clip of President Obama saying "We're safer than we've ever been".

Then we can watch to see how long it takes them to ban the President from Castle Bansalot as another NRA shill?

(Or not answered at all.)

And reinforcement is best, when posting stuff that is often found out to be goofy.

Contrary messages (aka 'facts') can distract simple folks from all the progress made in promoting change & reform...and ruin a safe haven!!

jmg: Per the FBI background checks, the number of guns has been steadily climbing since at least 1999, while gun violence has been steadily decreasing since the 90s

National gunstock has been 'steadily increasing' since the early 1960's; I'd even wager since 1776 excepting wartimes perhaps.

National gunstock 1960's ~75 millions.
......" ....... mid 70's ...... 150 millions (guns & murder rate both doubled since 1960's)
.............. early 1990's .. 225 millions
............ now ~2015 ..... 300 millions

That's a 300% increase in 50 years, in national gunstock.
More importantly, author Tim Johnson isn't technically wrong, tho he's not technically right either:

What OP said: .. and gun violence tends to increase as the number of guns in the country goes up,...

............. pop... total crime... violcrime ... propcrime... murder
1960 ..179,323,175 ..1,887.2 ..160.9 .. 1,726.3 ..5.1
1962 ..185,771,000 ..2,019.8 ..162.3 ...1,857.5 ..4.6

2012..313,873,685..3,255.8..387.8...2,868.0...4.7
2014 ..318,857,056..2,971.8..375.7 ..2,596.1.. 4.5
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

As you see above, violent crime rate circa 2015 is well over twice what it was in 1960's, and total crime rate circa 2015 is approx 50% higher than it was in the 60's, supporting Johnson's claim that gun violence TENDS to rise as gunstock goes up, as gunstock did from 75 millions to 300 millions (gun violence generally linearly related to violent crime).
But Johnson is wrong for the time period early 90's to present 2015. He is spot on for time period early 60's to early 90's, as violent crime increased 5 times to over 750.

You, jmg, are wrong when you wrote this, partially wrong, since what johnson said isn't 'totally' wrong:

How does ANYONE answer a question which is based on a premise that is totally false, and has been for 20+ years??

National gunstock increased by 200% from 1960's to early 1990's, while violent crime rate increased 400% and total crime tripled, increasing 200%, during same time period. Johnson was right.
Since early 1990's, as you noted, violent crime has indeed fallen by about 50% as well as total crime falling by about 50%, while national gunstock increased by 33%. Johnson wrong.
The greater the proportional increase in national gunstock, the greater has been the rise of violent crime & total crime rates.
With a lower proportional increase in national gunstock, a decrease in crime rates has occurred, but at a slower rate of decline, and with a concomitant decrease in gun ownership rates. (demonstrated next post)

are around 23million a year vs 9 mill in 1999, I am not sure of the total increase being slower now then decades ago...I bet gunstock is way over 300 million these days.

There are 3 reputable polls that show gun ownership RATES have fallen over the past 20 years: Gallup, Pew, & GSS (general social survey).

1) Gallup: .. even Gallup's numbers show a decline in gun ownership since the early 1990s, from 54% of households in late 1993 to 43% as of this fall. http://www.gallup.com/poll/186236/americans-desire-stricter-gun-laws-sharply.aspx

2) General Social Survey (GSS) .. data show a substantial decline in the shares of both households and individuals with guns... 1973, 49% reported having a gun or revolver in their home or garage. In 2012, 34% said they had a gun in their home or garage.
.. personal gun ownership in 1980, 29% said a gun in their home personally belonged to them. This stands at 22% in the 2012 GSS survey. http://www.people-press.org/2013/03/12/section-3-gun-ownership-trends-and-demographics/
3) ... The Pew Research Center has tracked gun ownership since 1993, and our surveys largely confirm the General Social Survey trend. In our Dec 1993 survey, 45% reported having a gun in their household; in early 1994, the GSS found 44% saying they had a gun in their home. A Jan 2013 Pew Research Center survey found 33% saying they had a gun, rifle or pistol in their home, as did 34% in the 2012 wave of {GSS}.

Now you know the rest of the story. According to all 3 polls above, personal & household gun ownership rates fell dramatically during the same 8 yr time period as when violent crime & total crime rates fell dramatically, ~1992 - 2000.
National gunstock increased during that time period as well, also to now, but is demonstrably shown that a solid portion of those guns went to existing gun owners rather than creating any increase in the rate of gun owners.
The clinton crime initiative went into effect in 1994, which also had an affect on declining violent crime rates, but wouldn't've affected 1992, 93, 94.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=178997

I also mention the large increase in handgun permits, representing new owners (at least in states that track such things). Also mention the increase in percentage of semis ("AWs&quot and defense shotguns (which I have no specific #s on).