Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumRio 2016: top American Olympic shooter Kim Rhode attacks gun control laws
Americas top Olympic shooter, Kim Rhode, took a strong stand against gun control laws, offering full support for carrying concealed weapons and attacking gun legislation in her home state of California.
Im definitely becoming more vocal because I see the need, said Rhode, a skeet shooter going for a medal in her sixth straight Olympics. We just had six laws that were passed in California that will directly affect me. For example, one of them being an ammunition law. I shoot 500 to 1,000 rounds a day, having to do a background check every time I purchase ammo or when I bring ammo out for a competition or a match those are very, very challenging for me.
Rhode is referring to a new set of gun control measures, one of which requires a background check for ammunition purchases, in the same way that background checks are required for guns in the state but there doesnt appear to be any limit on the amount of ammunition that can be purchased at once. Nor does there appear to be any requirement for a background check when ammunition is brought to a competition or match, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
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She expected her press conferences to be more about gun control than her performance and spends time studying proposed anti-gun laws before big shooting events.
She added that the stigma that has been attached to shooting has affected her ability to get endorsements, saying that at least one large company refused to sponsor her.
She also wondered why comparable Olympic stars are not put under the same scrutiny as shooters. For instance, she said, why are swimmers not interrogated in interviews after a publicized drowning accident?
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/05/rio2016-top-american-olympic-shooter-kim-rhode-attacks-gun-control-laws
Nice to see a top-performing Olympian speaking-up on behalf of Second Amendment rights.
-app
MattP
(3,304 posts)NashuaDW
(90 posts)It's a full background check, just like she was buying a new weapon.
Showing an ID adds maybe five seconds to the purchase
Undergoing a background check can add minutes to hours to days - up to three days to be exact.
But you knew that ...
grubbs
(356 posts)But you knew that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)I'm shocked.
MFM008
(20,000 posts)She can move.
California isn't going to change.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I guess they can move if they don't like it right?
Dawson Leery
(19,368 posts)This is why they are called gun nutters. They are living in the not so great past.
With that said, she can always go to Texas where any yahoo can get guns.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)a gun nut? Next will be the penis jokes directed at her.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)She lamented the loss of the world of her parents, where children read dime novels about Teddy Roosevelt and Annie Oakley and guns were celebrated as a part of culture.
Reading about Annie Oakley is not the same as living in Annie Oakley's time.
-app
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)California laws,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/25/ex-calif-state-sen-leeland-yee-gun-control-champion-heading-to-prison-for-weapons-trafficking/
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-a-guide-to-leland-yee-corruption-scandal-shrimp-boy-to-guns-20140328-story.html
Yes, he didn't like target shooters and hunters having semi automatic rifles for their lawful purposes, but was OK with his organized crime buddies smuggling machine guns and rocket launchers into the US. Fuck him even if he was a Democrat.
But I didn't start hating his guts over guns and corruption. The piece of shit called me a racist because I happen to like sharks.
http://www.takepart.com/article/2011/05/10/shark-fin-bans-human-racism-or-creature-compassion
Note to jurors, I don't think my opinion of Yee breaks the rules for the following reasons. One, can't vote in any election he is ever been in, and Two, he isn't running for any office and won't be any time soon. Of course, that is assuming the "secure gated community" he currently resides in doesn't have a resident HOA of some kind.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)GrabNutz
or
Monopolists.
(Trick question:. Both answers are correct.)
stopbush
(24,630 posts)for practice and competition.
And there's the problem: anyone planning a mass murder can also purchase hundreds or thousands of rounds of ammunition as long as they show an ID.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)not just showing ID. This usually costs money and time, especially if the system they use is slow or not working.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I can sell a 500 dollar gun, and turn a profit, even if the background check takes 10 minutes.
If ammo has a 3 dollar profit on a box of 50, its not worth my time to sell it.
I can either require a minimum purchase, raise the price, or stop selling it.
And thats probably the point of the law, they know that a lot of sellers will find it easier to stop selling it, rather than hire more employees as background checks will increase 10 fold.
For as much as people talk about justice, laws like these hurt the poor the most. I'm white, educated, and I know a few cops. I can easily get a may issue CCW permit.
I earn enough money, I can just buy 500 rounds at a time. It doesn't bother me.
I guess if you are black and or poor, getting a permit can be tougher, if its may issue, and now getting ammo is going to be tougher. I guess if you wanted the right to self defense, you should have been born in the middle class.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)By loading up proposals with even more restrictions; in this case a UBC for guns is hyped up to include ammunition (or in Feinstein's care, adding in another AWB attempt). The extremists, or GrabNutz, sabotage themselves, intentionally I believe so that they might keep a culture war alive.
stopbush
(24,630 posts)allow no discussion of any gun control measures at all.
I have no problem with the control advocates passing extreme restrictions on guns and ammo. Doing so may serve to move the NRA et al off their "nothing or nothing" position. In the meanwhile, gun owners are slightly inconvenienced. I'll take that trade off it results in a few lives being saved.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)some 50 years ago by demonizing gun-owners willy-nilly in the always compliant MSM. In fact, MSM is an institutional element of gun control. It is this markedly extremist position by MSM and the small number of well-positioned elites which has caused the liberalization (ironic, isn't it?) of gun laws around the nation over the last 30 years. In short, you have it backwards: The second amendment supporters responded to the controllers, only the former could make their laws stick and stick hard.
By now it should be obvious that the gun control outlook (it certainly is NOT a movement) wears no clothes. That is why it proposes more Leland Yee-type legislation, and has made demonization, animosity and that old go-to in American culture, shaming, to become its major "talking points." Second Amendmemt advocates have taken notice, and acted accordingly by passing ever-more liberalized gun laws, and in so doing filled the legislatures of most states in the Union with regrettably extremist legislators who know an issue gift when they see it. And those legislatures run the table with reapportionmemt schemes: They WILL be there for a long time, courtesy of that gift what keeps on giving: Gun control.
I would remind you that the nation's murder-by-gun rate has plunged over the last 20+ years, even as the number of firearms has balooned beyond anyone's expectations. I support UBCs, but what was once a reasonable measure with a chance of passage is more a pipe dream as the controllers can't resist that glance back at Sodom and loading up simple legislation with more and more restrictions. And each time the controllers propose unrealistic laws, the guns fly off the shelves, ammo goes in short supply, money flows into 2A pressure groups, and the Democratic Party gets smash-mouthed again. And again.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Right. Sure they are.
This is a typical misrepresentation leveled by those who push for more and more restrictions but can never come out and say how much gun control will be enough. The assertion is issued as if there is no gun control at all, with the deliberate unspoken implication being exactly that.
Of course you don't - you're one of them.
This is yet another of the typical misrepresentations leveled at pro-gun posters. Spoken as if the nra is against ALL gun laws, which is historically, hilariously, demonstrably, a fantasy.
It does however, betray the reality of the anti-gun position:
"Any gun law previously passed counts as nothing, and for purposes of discussion does not exist unless under direct threat of repeal, in which case it will be characterized as the most important gun control in the world until the threat has passed. Individuals and groups offering so much as the slightest resistance to what we the gun control activists want right now, shall be characterized as 'against all gun control', 'extremists', 'absolutists' etc."
Trade offs are always easy when you're bartering with someone elses currency.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)It's gun control that is the extremist, no debate, no compromise position.
Case in point: Post #37
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)There are lots of countries that are friendlier to gun-grabbers than the USA. Have you considered relocating to Great Britain or Australia perhaps?
-app
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)And that one is run by the cops.
Perfect place for you to move to, settle down and feel safe.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)it doesn't seem to help their murder rate at all.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,577 posts)...homicide/suicide/death rate than the US. And Mexico doesn't count because they're not industrialized enough. Having them make a huge portion of GM's electronics doesn't count. Maybe it's because the border tunneling drug runner gangs get their full-auto AKs in Southwestern gun shops here in the US.
Having armed criminals run about the population engaging in intimidation with illegal firearms is okay with certain governments. It's okay because tacitly accepting that lawless behavior and the accompanying lack of freedom doesn't really count as oppression. Most the victims don't die. What a crap awful feeling it must be to govern somewhere like that.
In many countries today leaders don't see this since they live as a class apart from the unprivileged 99%.
beevul
(12,194 posts)You would be more than happy to 'trade' a gold medal winning pro-gun Olympian, for an anti-gunner of almost any stripe, wouldn't you?
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)The 'trade' was a 'pro-gun gold medal winning olympian' for an anti-gunner of almost any stripe.
I bet you'd take...say...Mark Kirk of Illinois, over the medalist in question.
sarisataka
(21,000 posts)Because Bloomberg and Gun Control was quite willing to give Mark Pryor's(D) senate seat to Tom Cotton (R).
You may recall Senator Cotton as the tea partier that wrote a little letter to Iran to "clarify" how the Constitution requires treaty approval.
But I suppose it's all good since Pryor wasn't anti-gun enough?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Keep getting stupid with the gun control laws, I need a well paying side job..
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)than her performance. MSM:. Elites talking to elites about gun control, even at the Olympics.
underpants
(186,647 posts)Save the skeets!!!
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)All Olympians are looking for endorsements. What can she hawk, toothpaste maybe but the NRA pays better.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)I'm not interested in debating this crap with you any further so any answer you post will go unanswered. Have a nice day.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Instead of facts, persuasive language is used to develop the foundation of an appeal to emotion-based argument. Thus, the validity of the premises that establish such an argument does not prove to be verifiable.[2]
Appeals to emotion are intended to draw visceral feelings from the acquirer of the information. And in turn, the acquirer of the information is intended to be convinced that the statements that were presented in the fallacious argument are true; solely on the basis that the statements may induce emotional stimulation such as fear, pity and joy. Though these emotions may be provoked by an appeal to emotion fallacy, effectively winning the argument, substantial proof of the argument is not offered, and the argument's premises remain invalid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)Guns make people crazy. I rest my case.
beevul
(12,194 posts)You've present a far better case than your interlocutor that that is the case, I'll grant you that.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Hitchens's razor is actually an English translation of the Latin proverb "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur", (What is freely asserted is freely deserted.)
anamandujano
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DonP
(6,185 posts)Actually above normal for the average gun control fan.
Might also explain why your side is so pathetic and never get anything actually done out here in the real world.
You really need to get together and compare cartoons with the folks in Castle Bansalot.
derby378
(30,261 posts)But by all means, please indulge.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Pretty much everyone agrees on that.
Other parents are different, because gunz?
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Quite all right. Your emotion-baiting/faith based "arguments" have been slapped down handily by other DEMOCRATS here.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)Every time the word gun is mentioned, the paranoid 2nd Amendment nuts run out and buy another. It's worth it to them to pay through the nose. An Olympian is a special catch for them.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Terry Pratchett, Jingo
DonP
(6,185 posts)That's one of the most popular gun control fan strategies.
Of course you never achieve anything out there in the real world, but I'm sure it makes you feel all warm, fuzzy and self righteous for confronting those "Evil Gun Owners" online. Boy, you sure told 'em!
But I bet you, nor any of your ilk, will be marching against Gun violence in the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago, where 10 were killed Monday?
Much easier to just pose and rant online than ever do anything out where the violence is real.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)liberal N proud
(60,945 posts)Not!