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friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:23 PM Aug 2016

More antigun hypocrisy: "Pastor who won AR-15 raffle may have violated Oregon law"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/pastor-who-won-ar-15-raffle-may-have-violated-oregon-law/2016/08/02/014eb924-58e7-11e6-8b48-0cb344221131_story.html


LAKE OSWEGO, Ore. — A pastor in an affluent suburb of Portland may have run afoul of Oregon law when he transferred an AR-15 assault rifle that he won in a softball league raffle to a gun-owning friend for safekeeping without performing a background check...

...Lucas, of Christ Church Episcopal Parish in Lake Oswego, a suburban town about 10 miles south of Portland, drew national attention recently when he used $3,000 in discretionary church funds to buy as many of the raffle tickets as he could for a softball league fundraiser to send high school students to a regional tournament in California.

Lucas, 44, wanted to win so he could destroy the gun. He told the AP on Tuesday that he has received overwhelming support from parishioners...

...Last year, state lawmakers passed a new law that made transferring a gun without a background check illegal, even if the arrangement is between two private parties and no money changes hands. If Lucas were to be convicted of a misdemeanor charge of unlawful transfer of a weapon, he could face a maximum fine of $6,250 and up to a year in jail.


Congratulations, Reverend Lucas- you've joined a select fellowship:

The Society of Gun Laws Are For Other People, Not Me

You will now enjoy the company of such ...dignitaries... as Carl Rowan, Sarah Brady,
Dianne Feinstein, and Sylvester Stallone
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More antigun hypocrisy: "Pastor who won AR-15 raffle may have violated Oregon law" (Original Post) friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 OP
Your confusion is understandable, sarisataka Aug 2016 #1
Pastor Lucas is lucky he's not in New Jersey discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2016 #2
the weird part beergood Aug 2016 #10
Despicable! SecularMotion Aug 2016 #3
So you are in agreement sarisataka Aug 2016 #4
Thankfully, you are not me. While we're at it, a question for you: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #5
You really think he will actually answer, lol Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #9
What was it one of your fellow hosts in GCRA just posted? Oh, yeah: friendly_iconoclast Aug 2016 #6
Should the laws you push be fully enforced? Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #8
Maybe you think someone should suggest to "snuff him out"? beevul Aug 2016 #11
AKA: Father "Snuffy" Pfleger DonP Aug 2016 #12
i was unaware beergood Aug 2016 #13
He was "protesting" at Chuck's Gun Shop in a Chicago suburb. DonP Aug 2016 #14
More here. beevul Aug 2016 #15
Wow - sounds like that reverend is a real asshole. jmg257 Aug 2016 #16
Ah, yes. Ol' Snuffy Smith Pfleger. And "words, words, words" Iverglas. Feeling old. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #18
Since this raffle was a success making money.. virginia mountainman Aug 2016 #7
Hypocrisy and Irony. They ain't what they used to be. I'm gonna have a beer. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #17

sarisataka

(20,896 posts)
1. Your confusion is understandable,
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:36 PM
Aug 2016

you though a law that applies to "all transfers" meant "ALL" transfers.

No it only applies to racist yahoo gun owners who are stockpiling an arsenal. It was never meant to apply to people acquiring guns to destroy them. We know they are good people. Or people who own gun but would be willing to turn them in if asked, they're good too. And gun control advocates; they need guns to protect themselves from gun owners so no laws for them either. And celebrities. And rich folks, obviously...

We can also trust this "friend" that the Pastor transferred the gun to. We know he's ok because he is trusted by a Pastor who wants to destroy guns.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,565 posts)
2. Pastor Lucas is lucky he's not in New Jersey
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 01:54 PM
Aug 2016
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/08/10/ray-rice-shaneen-allen-gun-column/13862831/
When Ray Rice beat his wife unconscious in an elevator, New Jersey Superior Court Judge Michael Donio and New Jersey District Attorney Jim McClain agreed to put him in a diversion program for 1st-time offenders to keep him out of jail. But when Pennsylvania single mom Shaneen Allen was pulled over for a traffic violation and volunteered to a New Jersey police officer that she was carrying a legally-owned handgun with a Pennsylvania permit, the response of Donis and McClain was to deny her the same opportunity as Rice.

Allen lives in Philadelphia, right across the river from New Jersey. She has a Pennsylvania permit to carry a handgun. She thought it was recognized in New Jersey, just as it is recognized in over 30 other states. She was wrong. When she told the officer that she had the gun, she was arrested.

Now she faces a felony conviction and a mandatory 42 months in prison. Both Donio and McClain have been unwilling to dismiss the charges, or send Allen to a pretrial diversion program. They seem to want to make an example of her.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/07/prosecution-of-shaneen-allen-moves-forward/?utm_term=.685ccb1b4808
A couple of weeks ago, I wrote about Shaneen Allen, a single mother from Philadelphia who was arrested for driving through New Jersey with a handgun. Allen had a permit for her gun in Pennsylvania, but New Jersey doesn’t recognize Pennsylvania gun permits. Despite the fact that Allen volunteered that she was in possession of the gun during her traffic stop, she was still arrested and charged with a felony. According to her attorney, she is eligible for a diversion program for first-time offenders that would avoid a felony conviction and mandatory 42 months in prison. But for reasons he has yet to articulate, New Jersey District Attorney Jim McClain has refused to allow her to take advantage of that program.


Last I heard Ms. Allen had been diverted to pretrial program but during her stay in jail she almost lost a job and custody of her children.

beergood

(470 posts)
10. the weird part
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 08:28 PM
Aug 2016

about the Shaneen Allen case was that the Nra donated to her defense fund. the only thing i can figure is they thought she was white.

The case made a minor celebrity of Allen, a 28-year-old black single mother who legally bought a handgun in Philadelphia but was arrested after unwittingly violating New Jersey’s strict gun laws. Similar to how tough drug laws designed for taking down kingpins ended up being used against low-level offenders, harsh gun laws can ensnare people like Allen, who are merely trying to protect themselves.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/joelanderson/how-a-philly-moms-legal-battle-rallied-pro-gun-advocates?utm_term=.eo5ox7BYM#.juX68GJqx

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
5. Thankfully, you are not me. While we're at it, a question for you:
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 02:31 PM
Aug 2016

Do you believe that Rev. Lucas should be prosecuted for violating Oregon law?

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
6. What was it one of your fellow hosts in GCRA just posted? Oh, yeah:
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 01:49 PM
Aug 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211399

NRA official urges Mainers to reject background checks on gun sales

In which that official said (in part):

“Whether or not you own a gun, Question 3 will be a nightmare for all of you,” Cox said. “It will turn law-abiding citizens into criminals overnight.”


To which your colleague replied:

Really? Turn law abiding citizens into criminals? How the hell does that work? Either you are law abiding or you're not. Get a background check and no problem, don't get one and you broke the law, ergo, not law abiding. Have I missed something here?

What alternative universe do these people live in? Oh, I forgot. Liburty and freedumb land. Only in the NRA's mind can this reasoning make sense.


In your own words, should the "not law abiding" Rev. Lucas be prosecuted or not?
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
11. Maybe you think someone should suggest to "snuff him out"?
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 08:56 PM
Aug 2016


(note to potential jurors, that phrase takes on a special meaning when it comes to priests, or so I'm told)
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
12. AKA: Father "Snuffy" Pfleger
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 09:23 PM
Aug 2016

A local Chicago "Celebrity", calling for the crowd to "snuff out" the owner of a gun store.

beergood

(470 posts)
13. i was unaware
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 09:53 PM
Aug 2016

of that event. reminds me of this asshole 'Death to Gays' Pastor Donnie Romero Threatens Violence Against LGBT Protesters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11691423

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
14. He was "protesting" at Chuck's Gun Shop in a Chicago suburb.
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 11:33 PM
Aug 2016

He tried to force his way into the front door.

When the owner asked to see his FOID card (Firearm Owner ID) required for any gun or ammo purchase, Father "Phlaky" Pfleger told the crowd (Mob) to "Drag him out and snuff him out".

Pfleger denied it of course, but it was all on the store's video tape.

Just another typical "peaceful" gun control supporter.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
16. Wow - sounds like that reverend is a real asshole.
Fri Aug 26, 2016, 03:47 PM
Aug 2016

Nothing like threatening to kill lawful people to make them want to give up gun rights.

What a dick.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
7. Since this raffle was a success making money..
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 02:05 PM
Aug 2016

...Have another one...

Than another...

Lets just see how committed he is to his "cause"

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