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stone space

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1 in 3 or 1 in 4, lots of gun owners out there. Wonder if the supposed upwards trend in woman owners jmg257 Oct 2016 #1
Do you support a woman's right to defend herself against an abuser? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2016 #2
See "How to recognize NRA Talking Points". stone space Oct 2016 #3
You're saying that if the NRA supports a woman's right to defend herself you reflexively Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2016 #4
You are reflexively regurgitating NRA Talking Points. stone space Oct 2016 #5
I'm confronting someone who demands that women who are being violently abused Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2016 #6
No you aren't. That's a Trump-level lie. And it's time to start calling a lie a lie. stone space Oct 2016 #7
Feel free to prove me wrong by affirming a woman's right to defend herself. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2016 #8
You sound like an NRA Ad for Trump. stone space Oct 2016 #9
Like I said, you deny a woman's right to defend herself. You'd probably have her prosecuted. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2016 #10
Please don't hijack this OP with NRA/TRUMP Talking Points. (nt) stone space Oct 2016 #12
The word is "hijack" ... Straw Man Oct 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #14
No wonder your "cause" is in the tank! pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #16
Why don't you just answer a simple question? Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #15
Just over half of the women killed in a 1 on 1 homicide nationwide are killed with a gun. jmg257 Oct 2016 #11
The CDC says that women who use a gun for self-defense are the most successful. pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #17
The Trace, who questioned reported shifts in the number of women gun owners jmg257 Oct 2016 #18

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
1. 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, lots of gun owners out there. Wonder if the supposed upwards trend in woman owners
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:42 PM
Oct 2016

and "self-defense" as the number #1 reason (if true), have anything to do with this terrible situation.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
2. Do you support a woman's right to defend herself against an abuser?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:41 AM
Oct 2016
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
3. See "How to recognize NRA Talking Points".
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:45 AM
Oct 2016
Do you support a woman's right to defend herself against an abuser?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172199943



Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
4. You're saying that if the NRA supports a woman's right to defend herself you reflexively
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:47 AM
Oct 2016

demand she not defend herself.

That's pretty sick, dude; and makes it look like you're only using the cause of DV to advance your personal agenda.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
5. You are reflexively regurgitating NRA Talking Points.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:49 AM
Oct 2016

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
6. I'm confronting someone who demands that women who are being violently abused
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:51 AM
Oct 2016

continue to suffer serious violent harm.

Lives are in danger and all you can do type out "NRA."

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
7. No you aren't. That's a Trump-level lie. And it's time to start calling a lie a lie.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:03 AM
Oct 2016
I'm confronting someone who demands that women who are being violently abused continue to suffer serious violent harm.


Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. Feel free to prove me wrong by affirming a woman's right to defend herself.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:05 AM
Oct 2016
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
9. You sound like an NRA Ad for Trump.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:09 AM
Oct 2016

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
10. Like I said, you deny a woman's right to defend herself. You'd probably have her prosecuted.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:14 AM
Oct 2016

NRA or MRA, which way should a girl go?

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
12. Please don't hijack this OP with NRA/TRUMP Talking Points. (nt)
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:06 AM
Oct 2016

Straw Man

(6,771 posts)
13. The word is "hijack" ...
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 10:24 AM
Oct 2016
Please don't hyjack this OP with NRA/TRUMP Talking Points

... and you're the one who brought "NRA talking points" into it. Prior to that, it was an open discussion.

Dismissing something by calling it "NRA talking points" is itself a talking point. It's a discussion-ending cliché.

Response to stone space (Reply #12)

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
16. No wonder your "cause" is in the tank!
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:48 PM
Oct 2016

Conflating honest Democrats with Trump supporters when they don't adhere to your misguided knee-jerk agenda!

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
15. Why don't you just answer a simple question?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:32 PM
Oct 2016

Yes or no?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
11. Just over half of the women killed in a 1 on 1 homicide nationwide are killed with a gun.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:47 AM
Oct 2016
"In 2014, there were 1,613 females murdered by males in single victim/single offender incidents that were
submitted to the FBI...For homicides in which the weapon could be identified, 54 percent of female victims (783 out of 1,458)
were killed with a gun...., 69 percent of female firearm homicide victims (541 out of 783) were killed with handguns. "


Very good news is:

"From 1996 to 2014, the rate of women murdered by men in single victim/single offender incidents dropped from 1.57 per 100,000 women in 1996 to 1.08 per 100,000 women in 2014, a decrease of 31 percent...The data presented over the years in When Men Murder Women coincides with the passage and implementation of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), which will be 22 years old this year, as well as the passage of restrictions on firearms possession by persons with misdemeanor convictions for domestic violence or those who are subject to certain protective orders for domestic violence."


http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2016.pdf


They don't say how many women are killed with their own "self defense" weapon...curious stat that could be, as the number is reported to be on the increase.






pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
17. The CDC says that women who use a gun for self-defense are the most successful.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:52 PM
Oct 2016

And you have a problem with that? You have the temerity to compare RKBA supporting Dems with Trump supporters? No wonder you flail and fail.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=199981

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
18. The Trace, who questioned reported shifts in the number of women gun owners
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 10:52 AM
Oct 2016

back in March, now report...


Why More Urban Women Own Guns: Self-Defense — and the Second Amendment

The image of the U.S. firearm owner is shifting, a definitive survey shows. Urban American women explain the change: "Women are the prey."

·September 21, 2016

MIDDLE RIVER, MARYLAND — She only owns a handgun. She’s more likely than male gun owners to live in an urban area, and less likely to have grown up in a gun-friendly household.

And regardless of how many and what types of guns she owns, she’s more likely to report owning firearms for protection than men.

This is the portrait of the American female gun owner, as depicted by the most definitive survey of U.S. gun ownership in two decades. While gun ownership has long been dominated by men in the U.S., the survey finds that the percentage of women who choose to pack heat is increasing.

Of those who own handguns only, 43 percent are women, and nearly a quarter of those women live in urban areas, according to new research from Northeastern University and the Harvard School of Public Health.
...
“I really think women are driving the growth [in gun ownership] because it’s now accessible to them in ways it has never been before,” Lightfoot said.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/09/female-urban-gun-ownership-harvard-northeastern-university/
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