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stone space

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Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:35 PM Oct 2016

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Here's my talking point:. Back Jason Kander (D) for Senate. Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #1
Yep - NRA gave him their endorsement months ago. jmg257 Oct 2016 #2
Easy to recognize when they put guns ahead of children scscholar Oct 2016 #3
Must be a drag for you that the CDC "puts guns ahead of children". pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #11
The same way you spot Prohibitionist talking points. Straw Man Oct 2016 #4
NRA = Negotiate Rights Away. ileus Oct 2016 #5
Exhibit A stone space Oct 2016 #6
So, do you? Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #9
Feline got your tongue? NT pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #12
See post #11 for some CDC "talking points". NT pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #13
Suggest that you start an OP with it, as it is a different topic. (nt) stone space Oct 2016 #16
You must be Mopar man... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #17
Not just a dodge, but an extremely *pathetic* one. pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #18
An inability to actually refute an opponent's argument is a concession that the argument is true. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2016 #7
we can always depend on you... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #8
Lol. nt Duckhunter935 Oct 2016 #10
LOL..Great comment.. virginia mountainman Oct 2016 #14
You exagerate the power of the NRA. Do you seriously believe that women are this stupid? stone space Oct 2016 #20
So women shouldn't have guns for self protection ... according to you DonP Oct 2016 #21
I don't really need to recognize them. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #15
SNORT!!! NT pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #19
Interesting study reported by the Trace. They were questioning the increase in women gunners jmg257 Oct 2016 #22
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
1. Here's my talking point:. Back Jason Kander (D) for Senate.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 02:47 PM
Oct 2016

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
2. Yep - NRA gave him their endorsement months ago.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 03:40 PM
Oct 2016

And he spoke at their convention.

No big surprises there.

He is a bit...wishy-washy on guns, so they are not all that bright either.

"The endorsement comes despite persistent skepticism from conservatives over Trump's sincerity on the Second Amendment, after the candidate shifted from backing an assault weapons ban in 2000 to voicing outspoken opposition to any weapons bans and support for an expansion of gun rights since launching his presidential bid."

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
3. Easy to recognize when they put guns ahead of children
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 04:47 PM
Oct 2016

That's how you know.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
11. Must be a drag for you that the CDC "puts guns ahead of children".
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:43 PM
Oct 2016

Easy to know a Controller. He/she will use infantile shaming and felony-dishonest argumentation.

Defensive uses of guns are common:

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.” (emphasis added)

Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:

“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

“Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:

“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:

“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:

“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:

“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

Straw Man

(6,771 posts)
4. The same way you spot Prohibitionist talking points.
Thu Oct 6, 2016, 05:05 PM
Oct 2016


Shall we put you in the "in favor of extra-judicial denial of rights" column, then?

"Terrorist loophole"? Puh-leeze ...

ileus

(15,396 posts)
5. NRA = Negotiate Rights Away.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:48 AM
Oct 2016
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
9. So, do you?
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:29 PM
Oct 2016

Simple question

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
12. Feline got your tongue? NT
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:44 PM
Oct 2016

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
13. See post #11 for some CDC "talking points". NT
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 05:45 PM
Oct 2016
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
16. Suggest that you start an OP with it, as it is a different topic. (nt)
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:17 AM
Oct 2016

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
17. You must be Mopar man...
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:32 AM
Oct 2016

...nice dodge.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
18. Not just a dodge, but an extremely *pathetic* one.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:06 AM
Oct 2016

It has everything to do with your topic, given that the CDC has recognized that a gun is what delivers a victim of assault the best chance for a good outcome.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
7. An inability to actually refute an opponent's argument is a concession that the argument is true.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:51 AM
Oct 2016

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
8. we can always depend on you...
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:48 AM
Oct 2016

...to be an anti-control wet blanket.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
10. Lol. nt
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:30 PM
Oct 2016

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
14. LOL..Great comment..
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 06:22 AM
Oct 2016
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
20. You exagerate the power of the NRA. Do you seriously believe that women are this stupid?
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:53 PM
Oct 2016


The NRA Candidate is going down, and women will be the reason.









 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
21. So women shouldn't have guns for self protection ... according to you
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:13 PM
Oct 2016

And you choose to ignore the CDC reports on the effective use of guns by women.

So what other decisions do you make for women?

Just curious is it's just this one issue or if you feel you know better on others too?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
15. I don't really need to recognize them.
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 06:41 AM
Oct 2016

I just stop by a pro-control post and one you folks have generally done it for me.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
19. SNORT!!! NT
Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:07 AM
Oct 2016

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
22. Interesting study reported by the Trace. They were questioning the increase in women gunners
Sun Oct 9, 2016, 10:50 AM
Oct 2016

back in March.

Now this...


Why More Urban Women Own Guns: Self-Defense — and the Second Amendment

The image of the U.S. firearm owner is shifting, a definitive survey shows. Urban American women explain the change: "Women are the prey."

·September 21, 2016

MIDDLE RIVER, MARYLAND — She only owns a handgun. She’s more likely than male gun owners to live in an urban area, and less likely to have grown up in a gun-friendly household.

And regardless of how many and what types of guns she owns, she’s more likely to report owning firearms for protection than men.

This is the portrait of the American female gun owner, as depicted by the most definitive survey of U.S. gun ownership in two decades. While gun ownership has long been dominated by men in the U.S., the survey finds that the percentage of women who choose to pack heat is increasing.

Of those who own handguns only, 43 percent are women, and nearly a quarter of those women live in urban areas, according to new research from Northeastern University and the Harvard School of Public Health.
...
“I really think women are driving the growth [in gun ownership] because it’s now accessible to them in ways it has never been before,” Lightfoot said.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/09/female-urban-gun-ownership-harvard-northeastern-university/
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