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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,567 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 12:46 PM Feb 2017

My Turn: How do we keep guns away from bad guys?

http://www.topix.com/guns/2017/02/my-turn-how-do-we-keep-guns-away-from-bad-guys
The state Senate has passed SB 12, which eliminates the requirement that an applicant for a concealed carry permit be “a suitable person to be licensed.” All 10 Democratic senators voted no. The effect of this change is to remove the discretion of chiefs of police to deny permits.
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If SB 12 passes, everyone (except convicted felons) will be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. This includes people whom a chief of police, under current law, could determine is unsuitable for a concealed carry permit: a person who has a history of getting drunk in bars and picking fights; a person who has threatened someone with a gun in the past, though never convicted of a felony; a person who has been involved in road rage incidents; a person who has been the subject of multiple domestic violence calls to 911.

Under current law, if a person has committed an act of violence below the felony level, it is legal for that person to have a gun at home. But if that person wants to carry a loaded concealed weapon in public, we have a higher standard implemented by our chiefs of police. This is what Republicans and the NRA want to abolish.

The House will vote on SB 12 on Thursday. The New Hampshire association of Chiefs of Police has spoken out against SB 12. Please add your voice. Seek out your representatives and ask these questions: Should a known drug addict be allowed to carry a loaded concealed weapon? How about the man who punched his neighbor during an argument? Or the woman who has been diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic, and sometimes fails to take her meds?
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My Turn: How do we keep guns away from bad guys? (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 OP
This is terrible. The police should be able to keep guns from people. scscholar Feb 2017 #1
The restriction which is being considered for elimination is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #3
Because the cops have a long history of respecting civil rights? hack89 Feb 2017 #5
Gun prolifiration is getting ready to Runningdawg Feb 2017 #2
So I guess this will mean... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #4
Bravo for the level-headed people of Vermont Runningdawg Feb 2017 #8
Maybe not but they're coming around discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #9
I wasn't saying they were smart for lack of gun laws Runningdawg Feb 2017 #10
I know discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #11
The article's author seems a little confused. ManiacJoe Feb 2017 #6
More correctly and concisely put... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #7
By keeping bad guys away from guns. pablo_marmol Feb 2017 #12
If someone has threatened someone else with a gun in the past, yagotme Feb 2017 #13
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
1. This is terrible. The police should be able to keep guns from people.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 02:10 PM
Feb 2017

Why pay all of that money to have police if you're going to make it illegal for them to protect us?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,567 posts)
3. The restriction which is being considered for elimination is...
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:31 PM
Feb 2017

...where the discretion of the chief LEO plays a role in issuing a CC permit. There's no change in who can buy a gun.

hack89

(39,179 posts)
5. Because the cops have a long history of respecting civil rights?
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 05:19 PM
Feb 2017

And would never use their discretion in a discriminatory manner?

Runningdawg

(4,606 posts)
2. Gun prolifiration is getting ready to
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:22 PM
Feb 2017

explode (literally) in this country. Its going to make the wild wild west look like a church social. If you don't own a gun a tactical vest and helmet, you will in 10 years. They say trends make their way from the coasts to the middle of the country. Not this time, places like OK where even if its not legal to carry (as long as you aren't a minority) the cops will look the other way, will open the door for the rest of the country.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,567 posts)
4. So I guess this will mean...
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 03:33 PM
Feb 2017

...crime and gun violence may begin to parallel that of Vermont where no laws, permits or restrictions on concealed carry have existed since 1777.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,567 posts)
9. Maybe not but they're coming around
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 12:48 PM
Feb 2017

Other states are following Vermont's lead. AFAIK 1o other states have similar laws.

Runningdawg

(4,606 posts)
10. I wasn't saying they were smart for lack of gun laws
Fri Feb 10, 2017, 03:32 PM
Feb 2017

just that they are smart enough to not go around shooting at people because they cut them off in traffic or have a Bernie sticker on their bumper. Here are a few links to recent increase in road rage/shootings in OK alone.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=road+rage+incidents+up+in+oklahoma

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
6. The article's author seems a little confused.
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 06:03 PM
Feb 2017

Link to the actual article: http://www.concordmonitor.com/Keeping-guns-away-from-bad-guys-7957862

SB12 takes away the chief's ability to subjectively control concealed carry. It has nothing to do with Bad Guys owning guns, which is already illegal for them to do.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,567 posts)
7. More correctly and concisely put...
Thu Feb 9, 2017, 06:08 PM
Feb 2017

...it keeps guys the chief LEO thinks might be bad guys from CCing legally.

Or keeps folks who don't contribute to his election from...
Or keeps folks who he's not absolutely sure are good guys from...

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
12. By keeping bad guys away from guns.
Sat Feb 11, 2017, 05:18 PM
Feb 2017

Enforce laws on the books calling for lengthier prison terms for gun-related crime. We know for fact that the great majority of gun violence is committed by those with criminal records -- mostly felonies.

Edited to add: Make room for violent offenders by releasing the non-violent.

Although I wouldn't describe a person with a mental defect as a 'bad guy', I would suggest -- as nearly everyone does -- a greater emphasis on mental health. Kamala Harris left a LOT on money on the table that could have been used to improve and expand mental health care facilities in California. Unreal.

yagotme

(3,816 posts)
13. If someone has threatened someone else with a gun in the past,
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 06:40 PM
Feb 2017

and actually did it, and wasn't convicted of a felony, well, that's part of the problem right there.

This comes about from the sheriffs in some jurisdictions of "may issue" states, just telling the applicant no for no good reason, other than "Just 'cuz".

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