This is why we need laws against guns in bars

Fire arms and booze don't mix

...if bars have metal detectors and armed security.

That anyone was drinking

'Hero' bs? Is stopping a murderer a bad thing?

...only if you use a gun. A bicycle wheel is a better choice.


Check your local sporting goods for an EDC wheel.

....will respect the "NO GUNS" sign? lol

Texas statute defines a bar as an establishment which derives over 51% of it's revenue from the sales of alcohol. It would be posted as such and the carrying of firearms is illegal - even for a permit-holder.

This shooting took place at a restaurant which serves alcohol but derives less than 51% of it's revenue from such.

that said guns were not allowed in bars? The guy who saved the day in this incident would probably have obeyed the law and the result might well have been a bunch of innocent people injured or killed. People who legally carry concealed usually obey the law.

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It took that genius 15 days to get him(her)self tombstoned. My take: Laws don't equal control. If they did, we wouldn't need prisons for lawbreakers.

I am getting sick of those who are over-sympathetic to criminals. This society is completely unreasonable in its approach to crime. We make laws which turn victimless actions into crimes. We make laws that can put an addict in prison for longer than a rapist. We make laws that can send a single mom to jail, cause the loss of her job and possibly the custody of her children but let a domestic abuser off with a warning.

We're now seriously over videoed and monitored. A court order is needed to tap a phone call but "stingray" devices are readily available and in use by law enforcement. Why are there incidents of people dying in police custody due to asphyxiation and dehydration? How is reasonable for the federal government to have a problem with states that have legalized marijuana while expecting the cooperation of sanctuary cities?

It is time for everyone to accept that 18 months in a cell won't rebuild a life destroyed by addiction and crime to feed the addiction. Nor will that time in a cell rehabilitate a sexual predator or domestic abuser.

Using the term "control" for a law is a despicable lie to the public.
Militarizing the police is a mistake.
Sending addicts and non-violent criminals to prison is a mistake.
Waging a "war" on drugs using helicopters, attack dogs and SWAT teams when the principle victims are also perpetrators.
The US is morphing from a place of hope into another dead end where the haves take from the have-nots.

representative democracy or as some will call it a constitutional republic.

Now it appears I am living in under a form of oligarchy known as a plutocracy.

...favor the rich. Technology, finance, communications, medicine, entertainment...

As all of these advancements are made, it is the rich who can take best advantage and it is the rich or at least richer who motivate development. Is anyone looking to underwrite curing diseases that affect only the poorest areas of the world?

The cash price for an iphone 7 rivals what I've paid for cars a few years ago. My family's monthly cell bill (4 phones and a tablet) is about the same as my car payment on my last (2001) new car.

How many lives were potentially saved by this and other incidents like it?

The lesser of the number of people in the bar or the number of rounds of ammo carried by the late Mr. Jones. But this doesn't show up in FBI statistics.

*click*, one more justifiable homicide. That's all that will show up.

spin: The shooter wasn't sitting around the bar for a couple of hours getting plastered before he ran amok. He just walked in, blew up and started shooting.

news report: Police reportedly are investigating whether a {black} gunman was motivated by prejudice when he opened fire at an Arlington {Texas} bar, killing an employee before he was fatally shot by a customer. Although details about James Jones' racist shouting have not been released, police are considering whether they indicate a hate crime was committed at the Zona Caliente Sports Bar, Customers have said it was not clear whom the 48-year-old Grand Prairie man, who was black, was yelling at.
... they are considering whether trauma from Jones' Army service during Desert Storm may have contributed to any psychological problems.
There's been a crisis in this community from a lot of veterans coming back that have to deal with issues and stuff like that," police Lt. .. "We're looking to see if there were any mental health issues going on."
Perez, the slain manager, had been trying to calm the gunman when he was killed. Another person was injured by flying glass while escaping the bar. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/arlington/2017/05/06/possible-hate-crime-investigated-arlington-bar-shooting-armed-customer-stopped-gunman

krispos: How many lives were potentially saved by this and other incidents like it? The lesser of the number of people in the bar or the number of rounds of ammo carried by the late Mr. Jones.

A bit of a stretch to label this a mass murder nipped in the bud, kris.
Authorities later found two loaded guns and two knives on Jones,.. "We do believe he had the capacity to do much greater harm," Cook said.

Of course he had the 'capacity' to do much greater harm, with even the two knives, but with just 2 loaded guns, presumably handguns, doesn't look like this was a premeditated mass murder plan. Just a suddenly deranged man temporarily losing his mind.

oneshooter: By Texas Law this was not a "bar" it is a restaurant.
Jackson: Legally, it wasn't a bar...

news report: whether .. a hate crime was committed at the Zona Caliente Sports Bar,

Caliente means 'hot', zona = zone, so 'hot zone sports bar' evidently.
https://www.zonacalientearlington.com/

But, proceed to milk it for you can, eh?

at a salad bar???

You must have missed the Texas definition of a place of business that qualifies as a "bar" for concealed carry denial. Over 51% of alcohol sales.

"Of course he had the 'capacity' to do much greater harm, with even the two knives, but with just 2 loaded guns, presumably handguns, doesn't look like this was a premeditated mass murder plan. Just a suddenly deranged man temporarily losing his mind."

Walks into a (presumably) crowded establishment, 2 guns and knives, and wasn't planning on mass murder. I'd like to know where you got your psychic analytical degree. I'd like to get one.


"A bit of a stretch to label this a mass murder nipped in the bud, kris."
"But, proceed to milk it for you can, eh?"

Methinks there may be more than one bovine about...

yagotme: You must have missed the Texas definition of a place of business that qualifies as a "bar" for concealed carry denial. Over 51% of alcohol sales.

Nope, didn't miss that. Regardless, the name of the establishment was 'sports bar'. Their words not mine.

yagotme: Walks into a (presumably) crowded establishment, 2 guns and knives, and wasn't planning on mass murder.

Oh please, what a weak argument, were you born yday? I bet several posting gun owners on DU carry 2 concealed guns on them on occasion, one in shoulder holster, one in ankle holster. Some even more, a small derringer in a belt buckle perhaps, as well as a pocket knife or two. Are these people mass murderers in waiting?
The knives should be dismissed as a mass murder weapon in america, since most knife injuries are survivable, and large scale knife deaths are rare.

ARLINGTON The gunman who went into an Arlington sports bar and killed a manager Wednesday came in with two loaded guns and two knives, Arlington police said.. http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/arlington/article148554034.html#storylink=cpy

I presume handguns, wonder what caliber. Go fetch.

Ones which you elaborated on. Thus, my reply to that.

"I bet several posting gun owners on DU carry 2 concealed guns on them on occasion, one in shoulder holster, one in ankle holster. Some even more, a small derringer in a belt buckle perhaps, as well as a pocket knife or two. Are these people mass murderers in waiting?"

Yes, if their intent is to go into a populated area, and start shooting at everybody for no good reason. I carry 1 myself, when I carry. And 1 pocket knife.


Stay. Stay.

seems to me that anyone planning a mass murder couldn't do wrong by copying the most deadly one to date.